Greatest p4p fighters of the last 20 years, revised!

Elite, meaning BEST level the sport has to offer. Not just top of the division, Corrales not an elite, a top level, but not a real elite, Castillo the same.

Hatton, at 147, not even close to elite, at 147 he's not even a top 5.

Yes you can if he's consistently fought better competition level, you can't get by on Mayweather's competition just because he's undefeated on paper and then expect to rank him over guys who fought comp 2 level's up and performed well or won also.

Cotto, the guy Mayweather needs to fight, is a notch down from DLH, Quartey, Whitaker, Mosely, Forrest and what not that these guys were fighting against. Most people would not disagree with that.

Era's are not made equally.

 

Their 2nd tier wins can be compared also, performance level wise. Look at how DLH annihilates the 2nd tier and how Floyd sometimes has minor issue's with them depending on style.

 

I don't think he's beaten "so much great competition" to be honest. He's beaten a few top notch fighters and some Heavyweights.

The last part is true, though, which is why, head to head, I don't consider him as brilliant as some do. Many consider him so good at his best because of how he dealt with guys like Barkley, who came to him, but assume he was having an off night when he faced a skilled outboxer like Nunn or Jones.

His style was pretty limited the way I see it, though I've not seen his first fight with McCallum, which I've heard is his best performance(one of McCallum's best as well).

 

Corrales was a Top 5 P4P fighter in the sport. You don't get much higher than that. Castillo had just beaten Johnston, and much like Mijares now, took a long time to develop and had early losses. The fact that he nearly (and most likely did) beat Mayweather and he defeated Corrales and Casamayor as well puts him at elite IMO. And Cotto is a better fighter than Forrest and Quartey. He may end up better than Mosley and DLH, but he is not yet prime.

Your thoughts on who is "elite" is based purely on your analysis of each fighter. I'm sorry, but I disagree with that and always have. And you analysis of their competition is based off the same thing. So basically anyone you decide can be elite because it's totally subjective.

 

You would be amoung the minority.

 

I just speak from my own opinion when I say this, but.. I don't think people really consider Toney " brilliant " or a " genious " or anything, I think they just appreciate the immense skill level that he possesses, and you've gotta admit.. for the style that he fights no fighter really has it mastered quite like James Toney does. And as for Nunn, I don't necessarily think Toney wasn't at his best for that fight I think that Nunn falls under the category of someone whose a difficult style for Toney, but it's still to Toney's credit that he beat Nunn. Punching power is as effective a skill as anything else.

 

Trash like Jermain taylor was p4p top 5 at one point also, doesn't make that an accurate assessment for being elite either.

Beat Johnston close, and Johnston is who we are talking about here, not anything noteworthy.

Casamayor win close and controversial, but fair enough, personally I've never ranked Casamayor as P4P, elite or anything of the like, just a very good skillful top tier that I actually liked watching.

Elite to me means some of the best the sport has to offer, a very marginal 5-10% at any given time among known fighters. Mosely and Hoya fought at this level consistently.

Impossible, look at Cotto's struggles against lesser fighters than both of these guys smashed, and second, he is prime right now, look at how a past prime Mosely handled him and nearly beat him at that.

It's better than following traditional style'd rankings.

Not at all, but they have to show elite ability and perform like an elite fighter does, do you know to gauge that? Compare their performances to past elite and ATG's against similiar competition.

Take modern guy vs. B+, then compare to a similiar stylist of a closer era vs. B+ guy. This is one way, there are many ways.

Corrales, Castillo and these flawed B+ ****s though? Nah, sorry, I prefer to keep my elite rating for true impressiveness.

 

It's not better because you think it's better. And being as how you made it, it certainly doesn't make sense that you wouldn't think that it's better. But it doesn't make it so. Jermaine Taylor is a fine fighter, despite your hate for him. Quartey struggled with other fighters non elite, and Forrest was beaten by Mayorga twice who is certainly far from elite or even very good. I am sure you will fall back on "style difference", but again, that is your opinion. You cannot back up your opinion with your opinion. Cotto is better than them.

I will go with my own system, and I stand by my original assessment. Your opinion is not good enough to support an entire system of rankings.

 

Save for several glaring inaccuracy's, it's been pretty spot on, not finished with it just yet, I shall reach boxing assessment perfection however very shortly.

Then I can be called Sir Amsterdam by all of the peasants around.

Cool?

 

:smoke

 

Solid list Fedor.

Don't think Marquez belongs at all. Or Lennox for that matter.

Otherwise great stuff.

 

Bringing Floyd down below DLH will give you a better list.

 

Well, we'll never know because Floyd never fought any of those guys. Oscar did. ****, we will never know if Floyd beats his #1 contender.

 

i am fine with the list overall, except i think calzaghe is too high on that list. I would put him below winky as winky has more better wins. Where is vasquez and jmm, shouldn't they be higher than rafa? But if you have a different basis its fine by me