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  1. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Under 200 lbs. tournament

    1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore
    3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster
    4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov
    5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye
    6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer
    7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson
    8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry
     
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  2. enquirer

    enquirer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tournament?
     
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  3. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont get the fascination with Quarry, personally Id put Walcott, Machen, Bivins, Johansen, Schmelling, Folley and maybe even Doug Jones ahead of him

    I like the concept of a 200lb tourney though, great stuff :good
     
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  4. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A contemporary of Quarry was Boone Kirkman who beat both Jones and Machen. Johansen was not in Quarry's league. A case could be made for some of the earlier heavyweights especially Schmeling but I watch old film of them on You Tube and they are nowhere near the skill level of Quarry. Had there been a cruiser division Quarry would have been the champion for a long time.
     
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  5. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    didnt hbo kind of do a tourny to unify the heavyweight tile in the 90s and mike tyson won
     
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  6. Sweet Pea

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    Those are the best names you could come up with? Jirov, Haye, Moorer, Toney, and Quarry?
     
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  7. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why no Walcott?
     
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  8. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Under 200 lbs. tournament

    1. Rocky Marciano vs 16. Bob Fitzsimmons
    2. Gene Tunney vs 15. Archie Moore
    3. Jack Dempsey vs 14. Bob Foster
    4. Ezzard Charles vs 13. Vassily Jirov
    5. Evander Holyfield vs 12. David Haye
    6. Michael Spinks vs 11. Michael Moorer
    7. Roy Jones vs 10. Floyd Patterson
    8. James Toney vs 9. Jerry Quarry
     
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  9. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Kirkman fights were the last for each of them in long tough careers and Jones also beat Kirkman. Johansen KOd Patterson who you have in your tourney. Not convinced Quarry would have reigned long as a cruiser king, a lot of 200lbers were around with him
     
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  10. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jones beat Kirkman on a cut in their first fight one that Boone was winning.
     
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  11. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't know what people have seen in Moore. He was cagey for sure but lost a lot of fights and went down in numerous ones. His legend was his longevity and ability to recuperate. Charles had his number. I would pick Tunney who only lost once in seventy plus fights.
     
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  12. Sweet Pea

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    He lost 23 fights, won 185 with 131 KO's (the most in the entire history of boxing), most of his losses coming at Heavyweight when he was past his prime. Charles lost 25 fights with less victories. Robinson lost 19 fights with fewer victories or KO's. Armstrong lost 21 fights with less victories. I could go on and on. Suffice it to say you didn't make very strong points. At all.
     
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  13. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    We are talking about within this under 200lb. tournament...
    The two important counter points that are relative:

    --Moore's losses were to men that he at least weighed identical with and in most cases he OUTWEIGHED.

    --Charles had Moore's number.

    The others you mentioned are not in the tournament.
     
    The Mighty One, Dec 8, 2008
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  14. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you seeding 1 through 16? If that's the case I'd have to ask if you're intentioanlly seeding Vasily Jirov (David Haye too for that matter) higher than Bob Foster, Bob Fitzsimmons, and Archie Moore?
     
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  15. The Mighty One

    The Mighty One Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes. I struggle with Archie Moore after studying his record, opponents and watching numerous fights.
    Fitzsimmons is a hard one because we haven't seen him fight and can only compare to similar not very skilled boxing champions of his era.
    Foster was a great lightheavy but lost badly when he moved up.
     
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