Greatest victories ever?

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    This is just my initial thoughts, not ranked, and I've almost certainly missed ones that deserve inclusion. I don't want to give any extra credit for winning when not at your best, or historical significance just the merits of the victory itself.

    Bob Fitzsimmons beating James J Corbett
    Bob Fitzsimmons beating Gus Ruhlin
    Bob Fitzsimmons beating Tom Sharkey
    Owen Moran beating Battling Nelson
    Packey McFarland beating Mike Gibbons
    Young Peter Jackson beating Sam Langford
    Sam Langford beating Joe Jeanette
    Sam Langford beating Sam McVea
    Sam Langford beating Harry Wills
    Harry Greb beating Gene Tunney
    Harry Greb beating Billy Miske
    Harry Greb beating Tommy Gibbons
    Henry Armstrong beating Barney Ross
    Sandy Saddler beating Willie Pep
    Willie Pep beating Sandy Saddley
    Sugar Ray Robinson beating Jake LaMotta
    Randy Turpin beating Sugar Ray Robinson
    Charley Burley beating Archie Moore
    Ezzard Charles beating Jersey Joe Walcott
    Ezzard Charles beating Joe Louis
    Joe Frazier beating Muhammad Ali
    Muhammad Ali beating George Foreman
    Roberto Duran beating Sugar Ray Leonard
    Sugar Ray Leonard beating Tommy Hearns
    Evander Holyfeild beating Riddick Bowe
    Roy Jones Jr beating James Toney
    Roy Jones Jr beating John Ruiz
    James Toney beating Evander Holyfeild
    Floyd Mayweather beating Saul Alvarez

    Obviously not all these are on the same level, if you're feeling enthusiastic, I'd love to see a ranking. Please add any I missed
     
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  2. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield defeating Tyson (1st fight) has to be on there and I'd suggest Nigel Benn over Gerald McClellan.

    Others to consider :

    Bernard Hopkins defeating Felix Trinidad
    Marco Antonio Barrera defeating Naseem Hamed

    Also a little criticism of your list - Toney's win over Holyfield should not be on there while it was a great performance by JT Holyfield was almost 10 years past his prime by then and I'd also put a question mark over RJJ's win over Toney, again on paper a great win but JT was badly weight drained and looked a shell of himself.
     
  3. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Schmeling's victory over Louis is the best victory in heavyweight history.
     
  4. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Douglas Tyson neither guy was considered prime so it's fair

    Sanchez Gomez
     
  5. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Imo:

    Pep beating Saddler
    LaMotta beating SRR
    Louis beating Schmeling
    Frazier beating Ali
    Ali beating Foreman
    Marciano beating Charles (second fight)
    Marciano beating Walcott (first fight)
    Sullivan beating Kilrain
    Duran beating Leonard
    Dempsey beating Willard
    Dempsey beating Firpo
    Dempsey beating Fulton
    Dempsey beating Sharkey
    Greb beating Tunney
    Walcott beating Charles (third fight)
    Braddock beating Baer
    Foreman beating Moorer
    Douglas beating Tyson

    Sorry for so many
     
  6. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Joe Downey vs Soldier Bartfield.
    Louie Brown vs One Round Hogan.
    Joe Louis vs Primo Carnera
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali was in far better shape when he met Foremen than the shape he was in for the Frazier fight. Bowe was out of shape against Holy. Toney couldn`t cut the ring of vs Roy, Griffin fought much better against RJ and threw far more counters as did a 39 year old McCallum during the early rounds of his bout vs Jones. Ruiz was awful and wouldn`t throw any leads, he just stood there waiting. Holyfield was too old vs Toney. Canelo fought the wrong fight vs Floyd during the first half of their bout and is twice the fighter he was back then now.
     
  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Carnera was very easy to beat.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tyson was awful vs Douglas. Foreman was being beat before he caught the weak chinned Moorer. Here`s a thing Douglas may have been able to beat Moorer and the Foreman may have beaten Mike as he was in Tokyo!
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tyson was past his prime vs Holy, McClelan had no defense at all vs Benn and Naz was falling off balance after he punched and simply got exposed by one of the fastest counter punchers in history.
     
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  11. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    It was real life David vs Goliath.

    The 5ft 5 inch, 180 pound Joe Louis slayed the 7ft 4, 380 pound giant. It goes down as not only the greatest victory in boxing history, but sporting history.
     
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    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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  13. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm probably going to regret this but I'll respond to you anyway :

    Tyson had won two world titles in impressive fashion prior to beating Holyfield, was he past his best ?? Yes but so was Holyfield who has just been stopped by Bowe and lost to Moorer. EH was a huge underdog and expected to be stopped inside 3 rounds instead he stood his ground and destroyed Tyson's aura forever.

    McClellan was a devastating and feared puncher, expected to be an ATG in the making most people believed, a huge favourite against the supposedly washed up Nigel Benn.

    Naseem Hamed was undefeated, had won every world title there was at Featherweight and had effectively cleaned out the division, again Barrera was the underdog and in his first fight at FW dominated the lineal champ.
     
  14. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I meant to include Charley Burley beating Archie Moore
     
  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I think you deserve credit for good wins when past it, but just for the criteria here, I don't want to give any extra credit for the winner not being at their best, just who they beat and how they did it.