Greatest Welterweights in History

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  1. Mteslamiller

    Mteslamiller Member Full Member

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    I feel that these are the all time no best welterweights—

    1. Ray Robinson
    2. Ray Leonard
    3. Henry Armstrong
    4. Jose Napoles
    5.Kid Gavilanh
    6. Thomas Hearns
    7.Mickey Walker
    8. Floyd Mayweather
    9. Emile Griffith,
    10.
     
  2. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good list.
     
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  3. Mteslamiller

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    1.Robinson
    2. Leonard
    3.Armstrong
    4.Napoles
    5.Gavilan
    6.Hearns
    7. Walker
    8. Mayweather
    9. Griffith
    10. Trinidad
    11. Britton
    12. Ryan
    13. Whitaker
    14. Basilio
    15. Duran

    I consider Leonard and Armstrong almost equa
     
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  4. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Solid list I would stick Barney Ross in there and maybe Barbados Joe Walcott.
     
  5. Mteslamiller

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    I consider Leonard and Armstrong almost equal at welter, almost 2a. and 2b, This list was decided based on a combination of accomplishments at the weight as well as head to head matchups.
     
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  6. Mteslamiller

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    This is why you shouldnt do lists when you’re sleepy—
    1.Robinson
    2. Leonard
    3. Armstrong
    4. Ross
    5. Napoles
    6. Gavilan
    7. Hearns
    8. Walcott
    9. Walker
    10. Mayweather
    11a. Griffith. 11b. McLarnin
    12. Trinidad
    13. Britton
    14. Whitaker
    15. Basilio
    16. Duran
    17. Rodriguez

    The real list! (sorry about that!)
     
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  7. Mteslamiller

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    Exocet, forgive me. I must have been hallucinating. This second list is my true ranking. I thought I would rush the list out there quickly before I went to bed—Mark
     
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  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No worries. you've got the two I mentioned I can't think of any you've missed off the top of my head. The ranking is pretty solid too nothing sticks out.
     
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  9. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    again 'Lists' are impossible and thoroughly Inaccurate, because of the impossibility of taking a good few hundred Boxers in History and try to place them accurately, you Can't, it is 'literally' inaccurate.

    you might be able to assess say up to 25 with some measure of recognition, but with thousands of fighter through History, a TOP Fighter where someone might have listed at say 100 on a bigger list, might actually infact be capable of beating most, if not all listed ahead of him "on the night"... Lists are just Not Accurate to True Life and especially Facts surrounding fighters careers.

    example, you'll never Ernie Roderick listed in a Top 10 or 25 list for example, but he is as good as Most of Them... he will always be listed at Home behind Ted Kid Lewis and Jackie Kid Berg, but H2H he is better than Berg and near as good, if not better than Lewis.

    the point is with HUNDREDS of Great Welters throughout history trying to accurately place the Top 100 is impossible enough, never mind the actual Best H2H Top 10.

    the same applies for every Division and every P4P Lists too - Impossible to be accurate, TOO Many Great and Excellent Top Fighters in History.
     
  10. fenoc1

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    Ray Leonard is the greatest ever
     
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  11. Mteslamiller

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    Thistle, these lists are all in fun. People love to compare and contrast, especially in boxing. There is no way of proving anything in terms how the best fighters rank. Just as there is no way to absolutely prove the rankings of the all time great pro quarterbacks. We all have our opinions, and judge those football players by certain criteria . Just as we use certain criteria to judge boxers.
    It’s all just speculation.
     
  12. Mteslamiller

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    Certainly one of the greatest, and my all time favorite fighter.—Mark
     
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    1. Sugar Ray Robinson
    2. Henry Armstrong
    3. Sugar Ray Leonard
    4. Jose Napoles
    5. Barney Ross
    6. Kid Gavilan
    7. Thomas Hearns
    8. Luis Rodriguez
    9. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    10. Emile Griffith
     
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  14. Journeyman92

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    Emile Griffith below Mayweather at 147lbs? Looks like we are enemies.
     
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  15. Mteslamiller

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    Journeyman92, I am a great admirer of both fighters. It wasn’t an easy choice, but I think Floyd was a bit better. That said, Emile Griffith was a superb boxer.