Greatest Welterweights in History

I respect exactly what you’re saying. And I now realise that you were just making a point.

H2H fantasy fights are certainly very subjective.

Nobody can know for sure who’d beat who and how.

We can make educated guesses, but yes, we can’t know for sure.

However, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with objectively rating someone based upon their ability. On their skill set.

Hearns hasn’t got a great resume at WW, but he was a great fighter.

Therefore, I couldn’t automatically rank someone else higher than him, just on their resume. I’d also have to analyse their abilities.

I could never rank Sven Ottke higher than Roy Jones and James Toney on a list of ATG SMW’s.

 

With all due respect, you lack the slightest clue of what kind of wear and tear Floyd went through by being in gyms and boxing since an early age with little time off. No worries though, for I am here to educate you.

 

Educate me?

I’d honestly be impressed if you could tie your own shoe laces.


Explain to me how Hearns should be omitted from this list due to his resume, yet Floyd gets on one at JMW for having beaten just THREE fighters?

 

Three servicaebale hof fighters, I believe first ballot. You'll thank me one day

 

You can’t be classed as an ATG at a weight solely based upon just three fights.

You know that.

Ability has to be taken into account too.

Also, none of them were ATG’s in their prime.

One of them was pre-prime, and the other 2 were faded.

That is not enough.


You cannot say to someone “Get Hearns’ a$$ out of here” when you’ve classed Floyd and Canelo as top 5 ATG JMW’s on the other thread.

If you can’t see that, then you’re an idiot.

The icing on the cake is when you then claim that someone is being biased.

You’re one of the most biased posters on the entire forum.

 

Mate, he’s a waste of time - I wouldn’t bother.

 

Three fighters, five belts between them and a lineage. I can and did class Floyd as the third best Jr. Middle and it lines up nicely with Hearns' win over a blown up and "faded" Duran, win over a third weightclass Benitez, and handful of filler.

Chatty Kathy

 

Yes but no also, who was fought, how many highly regarded, the whole ball of wax in skill sets from punching power to the body, head, and the rest, for the most learned fans those are all included in narrowing down the greats from near greats, its not just what they were capable of on their best days.

 

Dress it up however you like, it was just 3 fights against 3 non great fighters.

Canelo and Cotto weren’t great at the time, and Oscar was faded and had been inactive.

That’s not enough for someone to be ranked as the 3rd greatest in an ATG list.

The reason that Floyd would make the cut, is due to his great ability too.

Without taking his ability into consideration, he couldn’t rank that highly.

Again, you have no right to tell anyone to omit Hearns from an ATG WW list, when you have acted in the same manner when it regards your own favourite fighters.

 

I’m not sure how I’d rank them but I like the names on your list and for the most part the order as well

 

Still waiting for an explanation on Emile Griffith over Mayweather Jnr at 147lbs.

 

Whoops. Anyway, this is a H2H list? Or P4P? Either way, shouldn't you favour the bigger more proven fighter?

 

I would bet all day and every day on Emile Griffith to beat Floyd; Emile didn't earn his name beating Roberto Guerrero and Victor Ortiz.