No, I specified the Child's fight in 02', EVERY fight you mentioned in your initial post was after that fight, and exactly why there was no reason to mention them, yet you did. Losing to Jeannette by DQ isn't really a loss that shows he struggled during his pre-title run. Obrien was AFTER the title, so again, how does that count towards his pre-title run? Are we back to mentioning this exhibition again? Not to mention did we forget when this exhibition took place? The Johnson fight was again, after his pre-title run and he still didn't lose that fight, even with a broken arm. The point is, he cleaned out the division prior to getting the title (pre-title run), and then remained undefeated from Childs to Willard. Some performances might not have been overwhelmingly great, but he still won or didn't lose. That is never easy to do over a span of 15 years. I never said he was great, I simply said if Rings had a rating then, he'd certainly have made those ratings for HW. Something you also noted, so I'm not sure why you're arguing with me about it now.