Greats whose legacies were most victimized by bad decisions

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Servo had got the nod against a prime Robinson at his best weight... That would be a hell of a boost.

    Hopkins lost a lot of close ones, but I don't know if wins over Mercado, Taylor, Calzaghe and Pascal would have made that much of a difference. And those weren't all bad decisions, just close ones where he was perhaps a bit unlucky at times.

    High profile bad decision are for example Pea-Chavez and Lewis-Holy I, but those are also acknowledges as such, so it doesn't really make much of a difference. Same with Vito-Hagler I. That isn't held against Hagler since most feel he was the better man on the night and he certainly was the second time.

    I can't come to think of a truly bad decision that makes a difference, since bad decisions tend to be remembered as such.
     
  2. Johnny_B

    Johnny_B Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    No, my point was that Hearns only lost cause he was tired.
     
  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Frankie Randall V. Chavez Ii and Coggi II
    Also had a draw with Freddie Pendleton that could have gone either way.
     
  4. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This.
     
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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "Only"? You think fighters put in all of those hours of roadwork because it's such fun? Having the stamina to complete a fight is a quite significant part of the whole thing, you know. Also, Leonard's body punching in the mid rds probably had something to do with it as well.

    Mentioning a come from behind KO in a thread about bad decisions is more than a little off.

    Your boy's win over Tillis is much more in line with the thread topic. And if we're going to talk about the worst cards in the history of boxing, the ones in his fight against Douglas might just take the cake. A case of absolutely blatant corruption.
     
  6. Johnny_B

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    You mean the long count ?
     
  7. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, when Douglas waited for the ref to get to nine and rose when he did. And where Tyson only was behind on one out of three cards after getting his ass handed to him. The by far two worst cards I've ever seen in any fight. Yes, that one.
     
  8. Johnny_B

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    I don't quite understand your post. Since this thread is called "Greats whose legacies were most victimized by bad decisions", are you implying that the long count affected Tyson's career ?
    Or that it affected Douglas ?!
    Btw, the fact that Tyson was only behind on one of three cards is irrelevant since Douglas won. I doubt the judges would hand Tyson the win had he made it to the end of the fight. He was completely unprepared that night.
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ha, ha, ha, what?

    I never mentioned "the long count", as you well know since you yourself brought it up from nowhere. I just said that you were way off naming Leonard's win over Hearns in a thread about bad decisions. And that Tyson's win over Tillis in that case qualifies much better. And then I just threw in the unbelievably bad cards in the Tyson-Douglas fight as an example of bad/corrupt judging. Just as a bonus. ;)
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    I've seen some silly things in my time but this is riiiiiiiiight up there.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Not at welterweight he isn't. He's far more known for his lightweight feats than anything he did at welter. The Keed beat some top shelf welters.
     
  12. FighterInTheWind

    FighterInTheWind Active Member Full Member

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    I don't see how that changes your argument. You are still arguing that if a guy gets knocked out because he got tired, then the guy who got knocked out is the better fighter. This is still a laughable claim. Sorry.

    First, do you realize how many fighters lose fights they were winning because they got tired and knocked out? That would invalidate a lot of results and completely reshape the boxing hierarchy.

    Second, stamina and the ability to pace yourself are critical boxing skills.
     
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