Green needs to be dropped from the RINGS 168 top ten

Another thing, the closest thing that Green has came to as far as world class is probably Miranda and he lost that fight.

All those other guys that he beat were club fighters who had never accomplished nothing themselves.

 

Booradley, Green can't make 160 pounds lol. His weight is at super middle weight.

 

He claimed he'd fight KP at 160 as long as he had a few months notice.

 

He's ghetto?

Is that enough? He has a ghetto-style that has made one-hit wonders like McClellan and Bowe have fans that see them as far better than they could possibly warrant. Still, I guess at least one win over a current top 10 in the division should be required before he will be immortal. Just like McClellan only met two top 10 fighters and got KFO by one of them. Bowe's carreer is somewhat similar. The sad thing is that if Green had beat Miranda on a lucky punch in round 2 and then had a car accident - he would be immortal with these people......:roll:

 

Green is a good fighter. He seems to have heavy hands. A bit inactive at times but when he decides to push the gas, he appears to have the power and skill to take people out. But obviously he hasn't faced any top competition yet but i think he belongs in the top 10.

 

Green has trouble with Southpaws. Linton and the last guy he fought were Southpaws. He'd have lots of trouble with switchy Ward. I do wish Green would fight and defeat another top 10 guy before hollering for a title fight.

 

He lost to Miranda and then soon after had 85% of his colon removed. He put Miranda down and was sicker than hell when he fought him. Give the man a break. There is no way a well Alan Green loses to Miranda. Hell, in his last fight, Green was coming off of a shoulder injury and he still dominated almost every round with an undefeated fighter.

 

I thought Green was the one turning down the fights.... in any event I don't think he belongs in the top ten if you rank on past performance rather than potential, which is how I like to do it.

I think there are ten other guys whose past performances can put them higher right now, not to say that Green might beat some of them.......but until that time........

I would like to see him avenge the Miranda loss, Green is healthy now, Miranda fights at 168 now so Green won't have to lose weight.

Green was stunned (again) vs Tarvis Simms. I tend to go with the idea that he is going to get clobbered when he steps up, however he is 29-1 and definitely a dangerous fighter who deserves a chance at a bigger fight.

I hope he quits backing out of fights though remember that whole thing with ESPN? I hope, if for some reason he cannot get Steiglitz, that he doesn't sit out a whole year. Fighters need to fight.

 

All you need to focus upon to gain better clarity on his inability to obtain the highest profile fights is examine the recent history of someone like Abraham at MW or Calz/Kessler/Bute at SMW. Note the many BUMS who managed to get ring dates (TITLE FIGHTS) when we know they were BUMS (or near bums if you prefer) and hadn't earned those fights. WHY were they in the ring with the champ? Because they had no chance to win. PERIOD. Cherry picking means BUMS get title shots. Decent fighters are only chosen WHEN THEY CAN'T BE AVOIDED.

No mystery here.

You can argue that Green isn't as good as the reigning champ(s). But can anyone but a mindblowing nuthugger argue that all of those BUMS that got title fights were better than Green?

That is the point.

Using a MW example (which applies to the situation when the greater goal is to keep the title not place the champion at risk until absolutely necessary), if you are Demers, Gevor, Elcock, Ayala, Marquez, Simon, or Oral you get welcomed to fight for the TITLE on the biggest stage.

SMW, a belt that originated in the mid to late 80s, has been a second rate division dominated by Europeans in the recent era. Without delineating Joe's career in detail, anyone who is familiar with every round of it knows he is the friend of the Man from Del Monte for good reason. Frank and Joe were no different than Sven Ottke in their desire to avoid risk and only take fights under perfect conditions and timing. Joe has fought a multitude of weak fighters only stepping up when his career was entering the last stage of his physical prime and it was essentially "now or never". Even then it took both MK and JL to come to him and even then he almost bottled it and backed out of the JL fight mere weeks before. He finished up by fighting two geriatrics and retired without meeting a legit LHW not on a pension. For every decent fighter he met in the ring there were an abundance of Manfredo-types and Manfredo-type decisions (note I didn't say "Sven Ottke-type decisions" which would be a far worse attribution).

The desire to keep the belt protected is a business decision that far outweighs any thought of "facing the best" or seeking out "athletic competition". It manifests itself, in the extreme, in one sided promotions, back pocket refs, biased judges, and corrupt docs, administrators and officials. We would like to believe there will be less of this going on compared to the past - but still it persists - and often from those with the most comparative "pull", "power", or "size/weight".

As an example, you can argue that you believe Abraham could have won or would have won without a broken jaw against Miranda (Abraham/Miranda I). But only a biased, bigoted, nuthugging, non-athletic chump can look at that circus and not say that the environment was one sided and unfair. Herr Neumann has always been a horribly partial ref who knows who he is supporting in the ring (hint: it wasn't Miranda). Human nature and character exhibits itself in a certain number of impartial fair arbiters and a not insignificant number of event impacting hacks (who know where their bread is buttered directly and indirectly).

But, more simply just view things like an athlete. Any good athlete who is on the outside looking in is gonna jump at the opportunity to face someone with a belt on the biggest stage. That is why guys like Manfredo, Haussler, Ayala, Perdomo, etc., etc. were willing to accept title fights. Do YOU really think that Allan Green is unwilling to fight Kessler, Calzaghe (previously), Bute, Abraham, etc., etc.? Could you really believe that other bums would step up (with their limited abilities) but not Allan Green? Come on. That simply doesn't fit. It is more likely that the management/promoters of these champs would offer him whatever they think would be insignificant enough to make him turn it down while offering more to get a bum where the risk is less or, NOT offer him a fight at all.

Just imagine it visually. One, Joe Calzaghe gets a bogus joke of a stoppage over an overmatched bum like Manfredo and catches grief for that charade (as well as O'Conner the ref for his part). Two, Joe Calzaghe KOs a better athlete in front of the world demonstrating his superior craft and talent. Who did we see in the ring? The short, pudgy, limited fighter. It was an embarrassment for everyone involved. But, it was the safety first decision.

Fighters need to fight, you say. Yes, they do. Unfortunately, some fighters have dodgy records from meeting lousy comp, then get big fights and rack up the losses. Essentially that is why they got those unearned high profile fights. Because they were LOSERS. Their (fake) records belied what everyone in the gyms could already see and evaluate as to the real level of their innate ability and skill.

It will be easier to judge AG AFTER he fails (or doesn't) against the best at SMW in the coming year or two or three (because he is not getting any younger to have still not gotten a decent real shot). A lot of bitching goes on at Green for what he hasn't done. Not much is said about why so many BUMS got unearned title fights with certain fanboy favs over the years.

No mystery here either.

 

One thing though. Is holding out for the high profile big money fight and refusing to fight anybody with a pulse any better than the higher profile fighters that avoid the higher risk contenders? The formula across the board seems to be, if you are lower on the ladder than me and have a real chance of beating me, than "who are you" "why should I bother with you" UNLESS you are so far out of your league when you fight me, then me and my promoter prop you up "oh he was a tough kid with a lot of heart, very dangerous"

Allan Green, from what I understand, doesn't seem to be playing the game any less than anyone else and hasn't been giving consistent riveting performances vs the best possible opposition available (but who has?) There are a lot of folks at 168 that are tough customers besides the top five. However, this isn't to say that Kessler's recent string of opponents are more deserving than Green, that doesn't seem to be the case at all, but didn't Green back out of the Bika fight? OK, to be an alt for the super six and fight Oganov, however, Bika is clearly the more dangerous and far higher ranked and respected opponent, so isn't Green playing the same game as everyone else - path of least resistance to the big payday?

I mean, beating down Bika would have put him in a great spot tourney or no tourney, he would probably still have the tourney on one cell phone and HBO wanting him for the winner of Andrade / Bute 2 on the other, that's assuming he can beat Bika, who is a monster in the ring and a helluva fight for anybody at super middle.

I'm not hating on Allan Green, I want to see how far every boxer can go and see each of them get legit shots, and certainly, if Allan Green was less dangerous he may have already gotten a bigger fight, but I will stick with what I wrote earlier - keep fighting Steiglitz or no Steiglitz. As of right now what is Green's best win....Codrington? I'd like to see him fight more guys ont that level. Surely he can find someone better than Tarvis Simms, although I understand Oganov dropped out.

 

Miranda seems to have abandoned boxing all together in his last fight with Ward. He has a new trainer now. I'm not sure he will ever be the same fighter again, but watching Green's last fight, I still would call him 50/50 with Miranda.

 

I'm not on any Allan Green bandwagon per se. Every choice in the game is first a business decision and all make them based upon their own self interest. But, AG seems to be some whipping boy without due cause. It is especially notable in that his largest ESB critics are fanboys for some of the most blatant and egregious homecooking champs with all the leverage in the world to ensure a better test if that was even slightly the objective.

Surely fans would have benefited more from seeing AG in the ring than a multitude of weaker opponents - regardless of the "explanation" or defensible circumstances (who wouldn't have rather seen Green versus Ward - instead of Pudwill, or Green versus Kessler - instead of Perdomo - most recently?).

As for Bika, I think it would be great if that fight happened. It is clear that their respective rankings are an obvious consideration that they will assess (Green is ranked slightly higher for a couple alphabets, and lower for another). [It is quite the joke that some fighters are not even ranked by certain alphabets while ranked by another three.] That said, being ranked higher would support the idea of not facing a tough guy like Bika when you are ranked above him. So, I concur.

At least his last minute replacement was Tarvis Simms - it could have been a current version of Tocker Pudwill or Kid McIntrye.

 

Oganov is obviously an easy win for Green.

I want to see him with the likes of
Balzay
Sartison
Stieglitz
Inkin
Bika
Andrade.

Now with the SS and these 7 fighters - there are plenty of options for Green to prove his worth. And I didn't even menton Zunigo who imo. since SMW is so packed with talent, is in the next row of fighters. I would like to see Allen fight - but not another noname (no matter how undefeated..).

 

Greg Leon has let him into several terrible business decisions and boxing fans get tired of it. Title shot against Pavlik and Bute both ruined because of that fool. We often just lump the 'team' together when it comes to the final result.

 

Stieglitz is better then anypne Allan Green has ever fought.

Yes, I said it.