Green vs Tarver 2....on twitter

All fighters need is some bread and dripping with water whilst they are in camp. Nothing else but hard work.

 

I think the point alot are missing here, is that vitamins have their place IN ADDITON to a balanced diet. THEY ARE NOT a replacment, but do have their uses in topping up vitamin deficiencies that ppl may have.
For example:
Personally i have a massive calcium deficiency. My body chews it up at an alarming rate. Calcium, besides assisting in bone structure etc has properties that assist in regulating heart rythym. I only discovered this due to my heart misfiring, and having blood tests performed as nothing came up on an ultrasound.Now before you say, "drink milk" "eat dairy" etc, I would have to consume 10 litres of milk or consume massive amounts of dairy products to get what i need. The by-product of this, is the amount of cholesterol, fat and lactose that would come with it causing massive issues. So the only logical thing for me to do would be to supplement my calcium intake with a vitamin supplament along with other foods that contain high levels.

Athletes require high levels of micro-nutrients also, but cant afford to be constantly battling weight or calorie output due to the huge calories required to gain all the nutrients needed. So,thanks to modern development, athletes can top up and get what they need from vitamin supplents etc.

If supplements as an addition do not work, why are we able to push the limits far and beyond what was possible 100 years ago? Sports science and food science.....The human body hasnt changed in 100 years. Sports and food development have, allowing the limits to be changed. You can cry steroids, pharmaceutcal companies, and all the arguments you have overheard from your grandmother all you like, it doesnt change the fact that the body requires massive amounts of nutirents to function as well as detoxify, not all of which you will get from a daily diet. Our bodies function in nutrient debt most of the time, athletes in particular. If you dont, you are not human, or have the stomach to consume your bodyweight in food each day. Athletes require more, simple as that.

Noone is saying replace. Food is king.

 

So your going to eat Raw meat? Creatine is diminished BIG TIME once you cook the meat, you need to eat around 2kg of RAW meat just to get 5 grams of Creatine.. fcking idiot alright :rofl

 

Yes sports science and nutrition have advanced. What do you mean by micro-nutrients? Do you mean macro-nutrients? That's carbs, protein and fat. Yes athletes need a lot more carbohydrate than the average person. They don't need extra vitamins or minerals though, as I said before the same problems occur when you have too much. Which isn't hard to do with vitamin and mineral supplements. Nutrients don't 'detoxify' you either, that is absolute nonsense. You have a medical disorder, don't compare yourself to a healthy athlete. Here's a tip, go to your states institute of sport (WAIS, QAS, VIS etc.) and tell the nutritionists there what you're saying to me...
P.s. Do you work for Swisse?

 

Oh, but I thought you couldn't get creatine from food?

 

Nutrients dont detox you??? Vitamin C is one of the most common antioxidants.

Micronutrients:deal
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronutrient[/ame]

I dont have a disorder. A disorder would equate to medical problem. My body requires more of something to function at the level i push it to. 65% of the worlds population have vitamin deficieancies and dont know it.

Please only comment if you know what you are on about.

 

u cant get enough of it to be of any benifit unless you eat 2kg of RAW meat. Didnt think i had to draw you girls pictures and explain everything as you already claim to be armchair experts in the feild. While your at it can you tell me what foods can you obtain ENOUGH Beta alanine to be of any benifit in terms of reduction in lactic acid? :hey

so tell me more about how "Nutrients don't 'detoxify' you either" :rofl

 

What in the **** do you even mean by detoxify? The body detoxifies itself, that's what your organs do you fool. Too many antioxidants also cause problems. And 65% of the worlds population have vitamin deficiencies and don't know it? Yet you somehow know? don't you realise how idiotic you sound? I've studied human and sports nutrition at university, I know exactly what I'm talking about. What you're saying is absolute quackery. You have a medical disorder if you don't absorb calcium to the point you've had heart issues. I'm done talking to you, anybody with half a brain can see that you're clueless. Go and talk magic with your naturopath, I'm only interested in science and facts.

 

Yerp, I gave up with em' a week ago. :good

 

Define detoxify? If somebody uses that term you can guarantee they don't know ****.
You claimed that you can't get creatine from food.. period. You do, which is why vegetarians typically respond better to creatine supplementation.
Beta Alanine is also made up of amino acids.. that's protein in case you haven't googled that yet.
Beta alanine is not a proven supplement, there are conflicting studies regarding it's efficacy. Again, most experts believe that people who are lacking it from their diet respond better to supplementation.
Beta Alanine has nowhere near the same scientific support for it as a lactic acid buffer as good old bicarb soda does (if you can stomach it).
Now tell me what you think 'detoxifying' is, I need a good laugh :good

 

This TCboxa guy is making **** up as he goes a long and fighta29 believes every advertisement he sees.. dude needs to look up the meaning of quackery.
I tried :good

 

Right mate, ive studied also. Organs do their job, but not on their own. Dont know where you studied mate, but theyve taught you ****.

 

You haven't studied, you're not fooling anyone Tell me again what on earth you mean by detoxify?

[url]http://media.powerbar.com/snn/pdf/Zurich2010_06.pdf[/url]

[url]http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2008/03/28/detoxificationthe-pinnacle-of/[/url]

 

Best bit you wrote was ,,,

had a good laugh, many thanks Dr Quack! :good

Claims to have done study but dont know wtf Detoxify means :rofl

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Should have said detox, not detoxify. Bad english

The first article is well written and makes some valid pioints. It is based on suggestions and arguments, so it can be used for and against.

The second article basically says that if you cant reduce free radicals on your own, tough. Again an argument.

All personal comments aside, I understand your points, but i have experimented and tried everything, studeied and worked in the industry for a number of years (no not a supplement company) I know what works and what doesnt.

We could argue this forever. It comes down to opinion and case studies we base them on.

Go in peace:thumbsup