Grigory Drozd vs. Krzysztof Wlodarczyk II

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...why? :huh

    It wasn't even close.

    There must have been a contractual rematch clause for Diablo. :conf

    Anyway, this happens in May.
     
  2. GGGunbeatable

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    Wlodarczyk was very lucky in the Chakhkiev fight. He could have lost it but he can recover well. Chakhkiev was exposed in this fight but he had a good reputation, so everyone was saying Wlodarczyk is a good fighter.

    He's not a good boxer though and will lose again.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

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    Well, he is good, he's just limited and one-dimensional for a world titlist. Drozd is a very good fighter, a cut above Diablo, and proved that last time.

    You could arguably have scored it a 120-107 shutout.

    I just don't see how it warranted a rematch.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

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    I mean, Diablo can whack (even though he is slow) - and Drozd was stopped by light-hitting Arslan...but that was ten years ago. Plus, he was never hurt over twelve rounds of boxing last September. I fail to see how anyone could expect anything different.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Wlodarczyk throwing about what weight he has...good money in the fight apparently...and he must believe that there is something else he can do, he must have some sort of plan.

    Given his ability to adjust and adapt (which I admit he showed eff all of in the original) I'm intrigued enough to tune in.
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Same result. Pointless fight.

    I would of much preferred Drozd v Chakhkiev, Mchunu, Makabu or Afalobi.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

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    All of those are saliva gland titillating, soggy lapel stuff.
     
  8. IntentionalButt

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    All due respect, when did he ever show any of that? :yep

    Diablo makes Rocky Juarez seem many-geared.
     
  9. CST80

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    Pointless rematch I'd much rather see Drozd v Huck or Drozd v Lebedev.
    I'd prefer a Drozd Arslan rematch over this one.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Ooh, i would say most of all in the Rakhim Chakhkiev, a fight most of you guys were predicting he would be beaten, but I knew he would win :yep

    But the Green fight is the definitive example here. It's rare to see fighters not boxing in the 1940s waiting that long to bring a fighter onto their punches but Wlod just waited and waited to introduce his right and when he did so it just changed the fight completely. Losing through nine (From memory) he turned the fight on its head and earned that KO.

    He's a thinking fighter, definitely.
     
  11. Super Hans

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    Did he really make adjustments against Chakhkiev? I seem to have a vague recollection of Chakhkiev starting that fight like Giovanni Segura on speed and punching himself out.
     
  12. IntentionalButt

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    Woof! :lol:

    I actually think in both the Chakhkiev and Green cases you have Diablo pulling a Linares vs. DeMarco/tortoise & hare race, more or less. (outlast the more talented guy and starting to cream him when he's tired)

    Not a ton of difference I guess in what you're describing and that but I call that more being a "patient and lucky" than necessarily a "thinking" fighter. Yes on all three of those ooccasions it paid off for Wlodarczyk/DeMarco, but it could as easily not have if the opponents kept their wits and paced themselves, and those would have been UD losses instead of victories as guys like Wlodarczyk and DeMarco haven't got any other tools on their belts.
     
  13. McGrain

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    But that's the issue with adaptions - they're only ever going to reveal themselves after a portion of the fight has elapsed.

    Apart from in rematches. Again, Wlod ticks a box. He struggled with Fragomeni the first time, but the second time he was absolutely dominant from bell, walking his guy in and mixing up what he showed him. Watching Fragomeni trying to get set in that fight is actually funny. What happened, I think, was Wlod worked out how his guy moved.

    Fragomeni II made me curious to see Cunningham III.

    Drozd does rather stretch this point. But I'm interested to see what he brings.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

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    If anything, Tony has more to his game than Krzysz, since he actually keeps a highish and steady work rate throughout (and has the stamina to keep it up) whereas Diablo is more like Abraham, plodding around with earmuffs the first two-thirds of fights until his inner alarm clock goes off. In both their cases they wait for their prey to slow down and then mop up - that is more patience, commitment to game plan, and luck than adjustment, IMO.

    Regarding the Fragomeni I & II dichotomy, you had a guy who spent his career grinding, just turned 40 and then in his early-mid 40's.

    Drozd on the other hand is pretty much in thick of prime - more than Wlodarczyk despite being two years older - at 35 but without much wear & tear, not to mention a great deal more talented and skillful than Fragomeni. This rematch is a matter of nine months in an unsullied man's thirties, as opposed to a critical 3 years in a well-trodden man's forties.
     
  15. McGrain

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    The Abraham comparison is only valid but it is the difference that make the comparison interesting. Wlod is really sneaky, lots of sneaky punches, whereas Abraham operates primarily by force. Although he does well in picking his moments.

    What they do have in common is that they both invite the other man to press their space without either being at the top end of the scale as counter-punchers. Arthur is more static though, he likes the ropes or just plods in with his gloves high and allows the other guy to shoot like a less menacing Glen Johnson. Diablo leads a merry dance and he has the footwork for it.

    Abraham has zero fragility though, Diablo leaks his life-force more readily, and that makes Wlodarcyk's job more of a balancing act. At a very basic level, he takes advantage of pursuit whereas Abraham is looking to time his rushes, both for the opponent and the judges.

    Both these guys are really, really patient.