Grip training

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by withoutwire, Dec 11, 2010.


  1. wayneflint

    wayneflint Active Member Full Member

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    Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. What your doing is telling me when you throw a regular jab your throwing a pure arm punch with a sloppy step behind it.. there should always be pull back in the right shoulder with an orthadox jab. next your probably going to say if you do this you end up with a slow, lazy jab, due to the dedication but that all depends on how your balance is, if your weight favours the front foot then this is usually true if not then your throwing a fast, snappy, powerful jab.. not so much an arm punch, but really a jab is an arm punch but you can make it a good arm punch if you really think about it.

    if you have to load up the left before you can do this i can say honestly your probably too sideways on, neutralizing your own right hand by having it too far away from the oponent which can be a good idea at times but not when you think this is how you should always be because if you are your open to be flanked on the outside and are probably over dedicating with the right hand so you can reach with it leaving you off balance and prone to counter and most probably losing mobility options on that shot aswell as not being able to circle to your left adequately with head movement without crossing your feet.

    Tell us more about your technique Ylem.
     
  2. Onepunch

    Onepunch Prestigeous clincher Full Member

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    Ok I get that.

    In answer to your question of 'how would you pivot?' etc, I find that most of that comes naturally to guys as long as you give them a good base of foot position, rotation and arm/shoulder alignment.

    It is easy to google the names of muscles like ylem, but honestly boxing isn't that complicated. The fact that the sport is ruled by hard working athletes and not scientists is testament to this.
     
  3. lefty

    lefty Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah I agree, it's been shown that people remember concepts better than technique when the heat is on, teaching someone to think of 'punching with their legs' or something similar is more effective than telling someone to pivot more or advice on some little part of the chain of movement of a punch. Throwing a correct punch is a matter of feel more than anything else.
     
  4. Ylem

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    this is the one where i weigh the bag to show that its 92.8 lbs and hit it around alittle to show its swing. theres no need to critique my technique on this unless you want too as i was recovering from being sick with a stomach bug the day before and i wasnt in best form. skip to like 3 min if you dont want to see the weighing and hanging of the bag.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKIWvtcXobk[/ame]


    2 rounds on bag 1 round shadow boxing
    i slip on some ice in the beginning and the second round on the bag i did like 4 mins so i screwed around alittle at the end.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4NI5xonqlQ[/ame]


    1 round shadow boxing only 2 mins though not a full round

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI8IYImx_no[/ame]


    1 round on the bag

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3uB8fp0BE[/ame]

    enjoy.
     
  5. wayneflint

    wayneflint Active Member Full Member

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    A quick analasys is all i have time for im afraid, but your posture is terrible and its leaving you on the front foot constantly which means you have problems pulling back your shots and having missed shots like this where your reaching forward you are suseptable to counters or slips when you miss, you hardly pivot with your shots and you lift what should be the driving leg while throwing rights so you lose power and expose yourself, you dont close the gap properly between your knees for a straight right hand this with the flared elbow makes it so that if a heavy bag or 200lb + oponent moves into your right hand (simulate this by swinging a heavy bag and standing underneath the bag and throwing a right) it would knock you straight backwards and over rather than stoping their momentum dead with the shot instead they will push your pivoting knee back out to the side wear most momentum escapes before it even gets chance to escape through your flaring elbow, so your bones arent bearing the force properly and theres a major default in the base.

    you dont take your back foot in range close enough for the right hands when youve just closed distance with a jab your range is your back foot as this is the foot you drive with for a right hand and you leave it way out of the way which leaves a weak shot and leaves you in a hole in terms of mobility and choice of direction, your posture alone gives off about 6" of range, ive never seen posture so bad, youre very open to uppercuts, and big uppercuts thrown like Naz used to or Eubank, Tyson and youve got big problems, when you throw the right your elbow travels in the funniest direction ive ever seen in my life at around 4min-5min, the elbow should travel straight to the target, yours does a lap around the park and then to the spot so you have lots of wasted movement which means loss of speed and as i noticed the bag didnt move when u was hitting it like this which is rediculously weak because its only a 100lb bag.. if the elbow traveled straight the bag would have moved rather than it smothering your shots, wasting your energy while leaving you exposed the way it did, fighters can be 100x better at this smothering than a very, very predictable bag..

    Like i said ive only watched a minute of the first video because ive got to go but ill watch the rest later, im not going to be an absolute dick, you look ok, better than some do and you can tell youve boxed the way you do for a while which means its going to be harder to learn otherwise. but if you did i recon i could make you hit harder and faster and be a lot more mobile, while saving energy.
     
  6. lefty

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    Ylem I respect you for putting your videos up and you say you're not going to listen to feedback from me but I'll give it to you anyway.
    I don't see any improvement from your other videos.
    The first thing is your stance, you are way too hunched over, maybe you should hang your bag up higher and stand up straight. The way you stand you're not covering anything up, with your chin that far forward and down you're restricting your breathing, if you sparred someone like that you'd gas out quickly and at no time are you protected from hooks or uppercuts.
    When you punch you push, you seem to have a hang up on the weight of your bag and how much it moves. That's not an indication of punching power. A powerful punch is a twist, not a push. Step back and use your full range.
    At the moment you are arm punching and falling into the bag trying to get it to move. Alot of the time when you're punching your feet aren't in contact with the ground.
    Step back, stand up and twist. Turn into it with your legs before anything else, at the moment your punch is starting with your torso and your legs are just along for the ride, I can see your balance isn't the best.
    Honestly I think you're too egotistical to learn anything new from anyone, you can google muscle names all day but what you really need is to go to a good gym and forget everything you think you know.
     
  7. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    the video where i hung it?

    thats really not the one you want to critique, but thanks.

    the 2 rounds on the bag and 1 shadow is alittle better.

    when your done critiquing them what would you say i should work on to improve the most?
     
  8. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thanks for the advice.
     
  9. wayneflint

    wayneflint Active Member Full Member

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    Good post lefty, it seems im not as good at getting points across clear enough online sometimes, how you worded it is perfect, and like you say he pushes and its only a 100lb bag the gym's i train at dont even hang bags that light tbh, i find the best indicator of a good punch is to stand under a swinging bag and strike it when it swings towards and move quickly out of the way after lol, if the bag stops for the brief moment of impact thats a good shot, if it stops for too long your either throwing lazy punches or on the front foot causing problems getting back to stance/guard but using good bone alignment, or your on the front foot too much or pushing, or a mixture of all the lot lol. you seem to be a mixture of a few things aswell as having poor bone allignment upon strikes, theres a hell of a lot you could work on but you never will, youll just be happy looking ok on a bag rather than functionally being a good competetive boxer/fighter.

    You look how i did before i started at a boxing gym, you need to go to a gym its clear to me youve taught yourself how to box.

    As to what someone said earlier about scientists not being good boxers, its true some people can listen to their body and feel things out much better than others so the knowledge is not needed, however its always better to know how to do somthing because then u can take the principles and go off in a new direction with them and progress onto new things, however when you are teaching people the knowledge is useful im afraid because you just cant show somebody and expect them to get everything your doing, it just doesnt work like that, they have to feel it out how best to use their body themselves and not everybody can do it quite as easy as others but if you can guide them accurately you will get the best potential in the shortest time you can out of the indervidual.
     
  10. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    so distance then.

    thanks ill make sure to work distance.
     
  11. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why don't you just go to your boxing gym and ask your coach you've claimed you have? If you do have a coach he sure is crap.

    I'm sure you said you spar or was that all a lie?

    The problems you have will be tough to correct yourself. You have movement patterns in your head which are very difficult to change, particularly when you don't have someone there telling you what you're doing wrong every time you punch.

    If you want to improve go to a boxing gym and train.
     
  12. Onepunch

    Onepunch Prestigeous clincher Full Member

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    What I would do, which would make alot of sense considering the circumstances, is analyse the style of a fighter you feel has base attributes close to yours or in common with you.

    Without a coach at hand, the only way you are likely to see proper technique used in action is by watching fighters and attempting to break it down and 'mimic' it.

    It really isn't ideal, but it's one way of doing it. Internet descriptions of techniques are probably less useful to you than watching how a certain boxer throws his right straight, hook or uppercut.
     
  13. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    if i have a coach then i know what i need to do and im going to continue with his advice but ill be sure to ask him his opinion of what anybody has to say.
     
  14. viru§™

    viru§™ Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If your coach hasn't mentioned what these guys have from watching you for a few seconds (from your reaction to the posts he hasn't) he isn't worth the time.
     
  15. Ylem

    Ylem Well-Known Member Full Member

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    thanks for the advice i'll try to emulate joe louis and rocky marciano with a little dempsey on the stance