Groves chin and stamina issues

Definitely. He was saying to Helder on IFL last week that he has no stamina issues and that he can go 12 easy. Clearly not the case and he needs to pace himself better. Personally I think his stance when he is fighting probably tires himself out during a fight in a similar way to Haye's sniper style. Both guys gas early despite seemingly being in good condition.

 

I felt for George last night, he really tried & I hope he rebuilds properly & maybe he comes again. Rebrasse was a decent first opponent but Doughlin wasn't a fight that would offer any real indication he was over the Froch losses so maybe not the best way to prepare.One thing i hope we see end (it won't) is the assumption/insistence that Booth in the corner suddenly fixes this, Paddy Fitzpatrick although not seen as a "fashionable" coach has a wealth of knowledge & experience (not just British but international) and is plenty qualified to be in the corner of George, Paddy was clearly furious with Groves , by what was said in the corner after the first they had obviously discussed the dangers Jack may possess including the right that floored him ,what would Booth have done differently ?The stamina/punch resistence questions became obvious from the second he stepped up to world level and will continue to exist no matter who is in the corner until that is addressed with a more cautious style nothing will change.

 

Gutted for Groves I have followed him from his very 1st fight. The 1st round was a disaster and he did well to get up. The knock down was very similar to Price VS Thompson 1 on the temple and it scrabbles your senses. Groves lacked variety of punches in my opinion and should go to the body more. I do think a change of trainer is needed but who could change Groves style and could it be altered at this stage of his boxing career. I hate to say it but was pretty disgusted at the way he stormed out the ring how many times has that happened to uk fighters they should be fined a % of there purse. I get a unification fight with Degale has gone up in smoke but u cant just storm off like that. I had Jack up by 2 rounds and he actually surprised me and improves on every fight. He has a good body shot on him.

Where does Groves go from here. Back to a European title defence and could Sauerland land him a WBO shot at AA??

Groves needs to go away and rebuild I dont think a immediate rematch with Jack would do him any good at all

 

I think its very reasonable to say he has chin and stamina issues yes

 

I disagree that he has chin issues.

He got put down as a 21 year old boy against Kenny Anderson, who could punch. He came off the floor to stop him 2 rounds later.

He was hit with an absolute rocket by Carl Froch that would have dropped a horse... yet still made an attempt to get up and beat the count.

He was caught cold in the 1st round by a shot, which as has already been said in this thread was similar to what Price was hit with and they do scramble your senses. He once again made it up and went the 12 rounds.

Moving onto his stamina, I do agree that he doesn't look comfortable or at home over the 12 round distance. I think that's down to two things;

1. His whole style is based on being explosive.
2. His stance puts and shifts a lot of weight onto his legs which over the course of 12 rounds, must have an effect.

I've followed Groves since he turned pro, I enjoy watching him fight and would love to see him become world champion. I thought last night would be the night, although a lot of people were underrating and sleeping on Badou Jack which proved to be true. Groves had to go to Jack's adoptive back yard and rip that world title from him, unfortunately it was a close fight and he simply didn't do enough to grab the title.

I really hope he can bounce back.

 

im still of the thinking its not so much a stamina issue, but a pacing issue.

You only have to look at some of the greatest middleweights in recent history. Hopkins, Golovkin, Eubank etc...

None of these, imo would throw as many punches as Groves. Now i could be wrong, but i just think he throws far too many punches. Its nearly like he still believes he's in a 3 round amateur bout and its a quick sprint.

Also his conditioning should be looked at more scientifically. Go up to Sheffield or some other college institution and do that kind of testing where you get your blood tested every other rep to see your level of oxygen.

The guy he has is in control of this is an ex soldier, way too under qualified in my opinion.

He does appear to have gone backwards since the first Froch defeat. And obviosuly i havent got professional experience. But id love to see him maybe relocate himself to America and start a fresh over there, out of the shine of the british media. Because he really does have a lot of work to do now to get anywhere close to world levels again.

 

Getting out to America to rebuild is an idea I think Groves should and will consider.

 

Big groves fan not seen the fight last nite as of yet. But a problem apart from the stamina and chin issues with george is complacency issues. Seems to believe he needs to turn up to win. Heard an interview beforehand where he pretty much disregarded jack. The same way he done going into the 2nd froch fight. Has that type of confidence that becomes a liability.

 

Well said. I find Groves receives a particularly hard time on this forum. Let's not forget he lost a very close, split decision for a world title n the other guys home patch, after surviving a disastrous start.

Is George a flawless fighting machine along the lines of a Golovkin? No. But he's a purple heart kind of guy with serious power and boxing ability. I hope he's not too discouraged by last night and comes again.

 

Did anyone not score for Groves here?
It was a tough close fight but I thought Groves had done enough

 

Me too. Especially without the absolutely shocking ''commentary'' of Rawlings, who seemingly decided he was only going to call shots landed by Jack. George landed plenty of solid jabs and right hands, and i actually thought he won most of the later rounds.

 

I had it 114-115 in favour of Groves. I scored three of the rounds 10-10 because they were just cancelling each other out. Overall I liked Groves' work with the jab. He just allowed himself to get hit too often to decisively take it on away turf.

 

What if the 1st froch fight was his 1 in a million night. He has never fought like that before or after that fight. It was just the perfect night for him, everything went right. even the KO was perfect, with Froch walking onto it.

I'm sorry but GG is a decent fighter but he isn't a top level fighter.

 

His stamina issues are based on his style: GG comes to destroy.

He is massive at SMW, too.

He'd do well to implement triathlon-style training (Just a ton more aerobic work in general) to aid his style as he could do with more gas in the tank and what I mentioned would certainly help.

He should do a Sturm, but for the first AND last 30 seconds of the fight. That's when his bombs should be coming. His IQ can see him through the remaining two minutes.

More conditioning and a smarter plan and he'd be good to go.