Groves v De Gale 2

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking me here. Are you asking what holes i've seen in DeGale based on him struggling massively in 2 of his last 3 fights against Euro fighters who are fringe domestic level in terms of ability? There are plenty of holes, mate. DeGale hasn't improved since the Groves fight, if anything he's gone backwards. Groves has, on the other hand, shown consistent improvement and that is why i don't see any other outcome should they meet a second time than a more comprehensive victory for Groves.

By the way, i'd add it's a bit churlish to be criticising the likes of Stieglitz and Abraham whilst bigging up DeGale. Both are better than anyone he's beaten (or do you rate that French guy more highly?) and both have actually won versions of a world title, something DeGale still looks a distance off achieving on any sober appraisal of his development.

 

he was confused, he never expected the boxing groves to show up and had no plan on how to deal with it.

true tactically adam and george were on point wheras james' team seemed to think all they really had to do was show up. whenever james was in range george would spoil really well, george was also very adept in getting in and out.

james is far from the complete boxer, if he got it on with george again i think george would win. but people on the forum suggest that george would stream roll james are just wrong, and if george did drastically change and decide to be the pressure fighter he will expose a lot of holes in his own games, even though james has lots of faults of his own when fighting on the back. I would just back the boxing degale to have too much for a pressure fighting groves.

 

Groves isn't a pressure fighter and would never attempt to fight DeGale that way so i'm not really sure what you're getting at?

 

So im a child, or a churl ?, because i do not rate Abraham and Steiglitz who happen to be absolute garbage but i see "potential" in De Gale ?, that makes me childish ............. this debate is getting a bit silly

Ill come back to you if and when De Gale fights either and saok in the glory at how easily he keeps both on the end of a jab all night

I referenced Steiglitz and Abraham because they "like you said" have been/are currently world champion/s, to say De Gale still looks a way off this standard, im saying you literally dont know what your talking about

This domestic rating you keep referring too, fighters begin at domestic level ....... no ?, this doesnt mean they cannot be classed as "world class fighters", James De Gale and George Groves contested a British Title in a fight that warranted a world title, does this make them .................. "domestic class"???

De Gale is still a tad raw, its obvious he's not the finished article, and he may never be, but what he's got is enough for him to carry himself at world level, to be fair to him the level of fighter he's fought since Groves has been significantly better than who Groves has fought, so there's no yard stick other than the De Gale Groves fight were De Gale looked significantly sharper than he has done just recently, but is that a yard stick? not for me no! why ? because its obvious De Gale's head is not screwed on properly

Stating "i get lazy, i stay on the ropes because i feel comfortable and needed to take rounds off", why would you say something like that ??, my feeling is that De Gale isnt the most focused guy in the gym, whereas Groves appears to be the opposite, the only marker for these 2 is there fight, which there was barely a punch gone astray, it was a world class fight, to produce a world class fight you need to be world class

Hadillah Mohoumadi is not a house hold name, nor has he got a great resume or record, but neither has De Gale, so why does De Gale have a divine right to turn up and beat the kid, he may have aspirations himself, lets be honest he didnt exactly give it to De Gale on a plate did he!

 

Jeez, you're really not very bright. And you clearly don't know all that much about boxing either.

 

Fantastic technical breakdown, thanks for that :hi:

 

Groves shows a little more boxing skill, DeGale just hasn't improved since the last fight with Groves. Groves looks better ATM.

 

Technical breakdown? What in the name of **** are you on about? You don't understand simple English for starters, there's a technical breakdown of why you're not very bright. You've then gone on to do exactly what i said was a bit dim in the first place, namely to big up the French kid who has precisely zero wins of significance in his whole career whilst slating two people who have beaten significantly better opposition and held 'world' titles. DeGale has struggled hugely with 2 fighters in his last 3 fights who aren't very good and yet you are still banging on about how he'd easily beat two opponents who have fought and beat fighters a level above that. There's my technical breakdown of why you don't know all that much about boxing.

 

Robert Steiglitz has not beaten anybody as good as De Gale or Groves - my opinion

Abraham has operated on world level and is a 2 weight world champion, but he's not very good, he's beatable, and he's past his best - again my opinion

I happen to think that Piotr Wilczewski and Hadillah Mohoumadi are not bad at all, i certainly would not bracket them as "not very good" which i suppose is where the break down is occuring, where you think there useless but state Groves has beaten better guys in better fashion?

And you accuse me of being a De Gale fanboy??? WTF are you talking about, i cant bear the ****, but i happen to think he's a talented kid, flawed yes but he has talent

 

I don't think they are useless, they just aren't very good. The only other name of note the French kid has fought was a past it Christian Sanavia and he lost to him. That's not the form of someone who is ever going to amount to much. That fight with DeGale will likely be the pinnacle of his career. The Polish kid who arguably should have got the decision against DeGale, he got beaten pretty clearly by the same Arthur Abraham you don't rate and who you think DeGale would 'have his own way' against. He hasn't beaten anyone of note either. The guy Groves stopped last time out has mixed in better company and was a dangeorus banger, and Groves didn't go life or death with him, he boxed brilliantly and stopped him in 6 rounds. DeGale is struggling with guys who are never going to amount to much, he should be beating them comfortably (as Abraham did) if he hopes to ever amount to anything. You say you aren't a fan boy but with some of the stuff you are coming out with, it's hard for me to reach any other conclusion.

 

Alibis, man. Did he really expect Groves to just stand at mid-range and let him unload? Come on... He kept on about standing toe to toe because he knew that was his best chance to win and he's not as confident as some believe.

He got used to domestic level guys who would trundle forwards and let him do what he wanted. Groves didn't oblige and, let's be honest, wasn't providing the most complex look for DeGale to deal with.

If he was as good as many believe he could be, he wouldn't have lost that fight. But he did, because he's not that good.

 

I feel JDG won the first fight with his aggressiveness and GG looking risk adverse.

GG has improved but I think with JDG willingness to fight a hard 12 and be aggressive, its still a close fight.

 

i agree, this french dude has a similar style to Carson jones , robust/Dynamic willing to take shots to get his own in , granite chin consistently on degales case which can be draining.
Degale had one fight in a year , maybe his staying on the ropes was to try and conserve energy and make his opponent wear himself out, but alas he just kept coming

 

Yup, if theres one person who has consistently kept going on about Degale should have thrown more punches its John Rawling

 

For me james both fight pro and am