Groves v Eubank jr @168

If Groves paces himself properly then this fight isn't even close.

 

groves shot his load in the first froch fight with that knock down that right there is the pinnacle of his career and groves don't think froch is that good
never Li ed up to his talk or full potential to busy trying to be a smart chunt

 

My thought's also.

People mentioning his stamina, but it's much better than someone like BJS. Also Groves was throwing a lot of leather in his previous fights, so I don't think his stamina is particularly a big concern rather he was just trying to do too much. He was better in the Murray fight for not throwing as much.

People are forgetting that Eubank Jnr throws a ton of fast combinations, but he actually tends to go for a bit of a walk for brief spells in his fight to recover. If he's getting hit from big heavy punches, he just won't have the energy later on in a fight to be effective enough imo.

I personally see him eating a lot of jabs from Groves and I think it would knock a lot out of Jnr's tank, which people don't seem to factor in.

I think it would be similar to Linares - Crolla fight. Groves showing his skills and ability and landing with some clean hard shots, with Eubank Jnr not being able to be effective enough, especially in the later rounds due to tiredness from taking hard punches early on.

 

Groves would clown him all over the shop. Groves has a great jab and Eubank doesn't have one.

 

Groves all day long for me. Much bigger and a great jab. Showed his class against a natural middleweight in Murray whom I thought would cause him all sorts of problems and expose Groves stamina issues.

 

Groves wins on ability and has the massive advantage of a top trainer in his corner, as opposed to the ****** in Jrs corner

 

Groves circa 2014, wins this bout all day long but the Groves of 2016 is not the same fighter in my book. SM has certainly improved him from the boxer who took on Jack but I still think he peaked against Froch in the their first fight and has generally been in decline ever since. It's his drop off in performance - especially power - from his very best which makes the fight a live one.

 

Groves win a points decision but its all fantasy boxing atm since groves confirmed on twitter the rumours arent true

 

Size isn't an issue I think people will be surprised at how much bigger CEJ looks in comparison to Groves than Murray did.

Groves will be a little bigger than CEJ but CEJ is bigger than Murray for sure.

Murray is basically the same size as GGG, I am shocked how people can call Murray a huge middleweight and GGG a small one. Both are very big middleweights but CEJ is probably the naturally biggest guy in the division and he is very dedicated with his work ethic and diet to barely make weight.

 

I think Groves would win this. People say his power diminishes but we saw more than one right hand really hurt Murray late in their fight. If I remember correctly there was a right that landed right down the pipe, Murray's legs went and you could lip read him say something like "woah, ****ing hell!" Haha.

As mentioned he won't have taken shots as heavy as Groves' before. (Except that heavyweight Cuban his arl fella put him in with to build character ) I think he'd give Eubank Jr hell with his jab and is just a case of his stamina holds up if Eubank comes with them fast combos late.

 

I'd pick Groves and for what would probably be seen as quite a reductive reason. I think a good jab is Jr's kryptonite and Groves' is easily good enough to be considered as such. Groves hits harder than his record suggests too, but we've also seen him become quite prone to tiring out - wherever that's still an issue now or not, I don't really know. I'd lean 70/30 in Groves' favor but without seeing how Jr is at 168 it can be a little tricky to tell. He might retain speed and gain power, he might lose speed and keep the same power. It's hard to tell

 

I feel Groves lost a certain amount of his power when he stopped training with Booth. It was still evident in the first Froch fight as he had only just switched trainers. But it had markedly diminished by the time of the 2nd Froch fight. Booth is renowned for his explosive training methods often at the cost of stamina - Haye had the same issues although not to the same extent. I think Fitzpatrick tried to tackle the stamina issue which goes hand-in-hand with explosiveness and they fell between two stools. Didn't he throw 1,000 punches against Rebrasse? A former power puncher with that kind of punch output? It made no sense at all.

Shane McGuigan - who is also working with Haye as we know - is trying to remold Groves back into the power puncher he once was. If he can do this, then yes I feel he has the tools to beat CEJ but will he have the engine? This is Groves' Achilles' heel and finding the balance between power and stamina may well be the key to winning this fight and a world title.

 

However you can pretty much guarantee that Shane will have a far better gameplan for GG than Fitzpatrick would have drawn up. It could be similar to the Frampton/Quigg fight, Frampton can gas also and quigg is possibly the fitter/higher workload fighter. I think SM will have GG control the range and especially in the early rounds if Jnr wants to engage he will have to eat a solid right hand as he steps in..... I also think SM will bee too savvy to have GG blowing his load early in the fight and will also be able to adapt if the original gameplan aint working?

 

Good points and I do agree. I think what makes it difficult is that in some ways Jr is still something of an unknown quality in the sense he's been at world level just the once. Can't imagine we'll see the fight though in all honesty, hope I'm wrong

 

Yeah, we're all talking up a fight that might never happen. Thinking about it, senior isn't going to let his son debut at 168 against a boxer of Groves' undoubted talent. He'll more likely be matched with a mid-ranking euro level fighter with a view to securing a knockout so they can claim he hits harder at a higher weight.