Groves vs Eubanks.. Official pick em!

Honestly going back and forth on the possible outcome and cannot remember how I voted.

Cannot wait for next year.

 

If he’s matched against the right opponent he can fight in both. I think he’ll go on to have a brilliant career. Just needs more static, come to trade opponents. Win or lose, and i’m sure it’ll be the latter, the profile of this fight will ensure that he goes on to gain more opportunities.

 

Just watched Jr's snapchat where he steps on scales showing he is 11st 10. Then goes on to say he is not a super middleweight.

At least he's got a ready made excuse should he lose..

 

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If he loses it won't be the end of the world he could still get opportunities, but if he wins WBSS he will become a huge star.

Young Christopher has already fought the slickest fighter 160+, and more than held his own.

What movers are there out there he should be hiding from Twenty?

The great Willie Monroe Jr?

 

He did fight the slickest 160, but that was a BJS who only had 6 rounds in the gas tank and used his energy sparingly. He would barely land anything significant on him in a rematch.

I think you’re thinking I just mean boxers who go walking for 12 rounds. I’m talking about lateral movement, switching angles, counter-shots...funnily enough Willie Monroe Jn would stylistically be a pain in the backside for Eubank Jn. Junior wins but he’d be made to miss a lot. Canelo would make him look average. Danny Jacobs would be all wrong for him. I’d love to see him against Charlo.

I notice he releases quite a few sparring videos of him bashing up some really big fella’s. Which is clever, cos he knows against big lumbering fighters he looks a million dollars on instagram, YouTube etc.

Just to add, 11stone 10ib...and he acknowledges that he’s not a 168 despite you saying he’s too big for a 160, he’s just admitted it. Groves will currently be 13 1/2-14 stone. The size difference is significant, especially against a quality boxer.

 

Would not surprise me to see the fight be similar to the Cox one to be honest, I think the size and power is going to be too much and Groves is also just a better boxer.

I think you'll see George hold when up close to stop the uppercuts, but you'll also see him just push Eubank across the ring like he did to Cox when he was against the ropes himself at one point.

The physical size and increased power to head and body will likely take there toll on Eubank, eventually it wear him down in the fight.

Groves has already mentioned about Eubank taking breathers, so I think he's going to make him work when he tries doing that, even if it's a case of just backing him up or keeping him moving, all things that will not allow him to execute his plan.

You'd have to be silly to think Groves isn't aware of what Eubank does or what his favourite shot is (uppercut) and not put plans in place to deal with or counter it.

I think for Eubank to win, he'd have to fight somewhat like how Badou Jack did, but he just doesn't have the physicality or boxing ability.

Does anyone think Eubank will actually win by boxing ability, or is it the fact they expect him to overwhelm Groves on work-rate and intensity?

 

This is the way I’m swinging to at the minute. Next week I’ll probably change my mind though...

 

Eubank way to much for Groves

 

Alot is being made of groves superior boxing ability, but he ain't some defensive wiz..he is pretty hittable especially when hes against the ropes. I think eubank jr is much more of a handful physically than cox & chudinov who had no trouble hitting groves. If Jr pins him on the ropes I can see him landing some nasty shots while groves is fumbling to tie him up. I really want to see how they look at the weigh inns though.

 

Whilst he did get hit in those fights, he also hit them a lot more and wore them down, let's not forget he stopped both of them within 6 rounds.

Much gets made about the Cox fight but he was in control after 2 rounds, you just can't keep up a relentless pace when your getting hit clean and hard every round.

I always pick a good boxer over a good brawler, because the good boxer tends to win. I just don't see Eubank winning because he's the smaller fighter, doesn't punch as hard, has less boxing ability and poorer footwork. Like Cox he isn't a natural super middleweight.

He also can't extend his arms properly for straight shots, which is why he throws primarily hooks and uppercuts, he's off balance and wild with his hooks a lot of the time. He's been able to get away with it, because his opposition has been less than stellar.

It took him 10 rounds to dispatch Quinlan and he UD Arthur Abraham. Quinlan is what at most European level, whilst AA is about 6 years past his prime and all his best wins were at MW. Yet somehow CEJ is now a cross between a resurrected Jesus Christ and the terminator at SMW.

Forget his name, look at his record and his boxing ability and the fact he's coming up from Middleweight without a single world class win.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I've followed Groves since he turned Pro and I'm fully aware of his strengths and weaknesses. So many people have Eubank as some kind of monster, but I'm just not sold on him yet mainly due to his opposition . The only think that makes me doubt a Groves win is how he fades in later rounds and how Eubank can finish strongly, this makes it interesting as styles make fights and I think this fight will be brilliant. I've said it before, if Eubank gets to fight Callum Smith he will get schooled.

 

I agree with the bolded that a good boxer tends to beat a good brawler. But I wouldn't say Groves is a good pure boxer. You said it yourself he was under pressure but his offence, namely his power is what was bailed him out when under pressure.

Groves won't be able to deal with the pressure from Eubank Jr. He'll find himself backed up and under fire and he doesn't have the movement or defensive skills to blunt Eubank's attacks. Groves will need to hit and hurt Eubank to make him hesitate from just pressing constantly. If Groves can do that he can win, if he can't then he'll get overwhelmed.

 

Groves by late stoppage never bought into the hype Eubank is wide open has terrible footwork and telegraphs almost every shot especially that uppercut any decent boxer can see it coming has overrated power and his chin is not at all proven and is way to easy to hit and that's not good against probably the biggest puncher at super middle groves is gonna stick that jab in Eubanks face all fight and not let him set his feet because Eubank needs to set his feet to get his punchers off it's gonna be like the Saunders fight but with the power

 

Groves,s downfall will happen against eubank. I m a big groves fan...the abilities there. But he's been carrying the same weakness for years. He thinks he knows better than everyone else to the point hes moved away from anyone that will tell him the reality.

I still say that froch 2 fight was easily winnable for him but he got carried away believing froch had no chance. Froch to his credit holed himself up in Sheffield came back much improved/disciplined then the rest is history. Groves about to make the same mistake again believing eubank doesn't have a chance. I still say groves has deteriorated ever since that first froch fight. The further away from booth he got the more he deteriorated its just that he never came up against guys that could capitalize on it. He's looking good ATM...because he's fighting a front foot style against guys he can beat regardless. Booth groves would beat Eubank...its a nitemare style for eubank. This version has a chance cause groves still hits well. But unless him and mcguigan come up with a game plan similar to groves under booth...he,ll come unstuck against eubank.

Froch done him with a simple feignt one two. Groves actually made a very basic mistake...a mistake he,s made over again since. Eubank will do him in the exchange for me.

 

I like this analysis a lot (even though you're picking Eubank...)