GSP v SAKURABA....... Who Wins ?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Feb 19, 2009.


  1. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Saku was 1 of the best ever in his prime & at 1 point the no1 p4p in pride, GSP seems to be the man of the moment & was recently voted HERE as the UFCs best ever fighter, what would happen if both guys met ?
    The current Georges st Pierre vs the Sakuraba from say the days when he beat 4 Gracies ?

    I know Saku was a bit bigger but not as much as you would think, Sak always weighed in between 180-185 without cutting weight in pride even tho he always fought against natural Lt-HWTs, Im guessing GSP walks around the same but cuts to 170, I dont see a huge size difference in this fight, it would be more skill than anything that wins it.

    My vote - Sakuraba by submission :good
     
  2. MaliSlamusrex

    MaliSlamusrex Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i am voting for GSP for the simple fact that the sport has moved on since Sakuraba pioneered his style. Sakuraba didn't have the training methods, sparing partners or
    opportunities that GSP has had because the sport is different now than it was even 5 years ago.
     
  3. Shogun_12

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    GSP by gnp. how would saku take down GSP? yes his single leg td is legendary but gsp stuffs it all day. and i dont think he could submit GSP from the bottom. Pride rules GSP wins by UD. UFC rules (w/ elbows) GSP destroys saku's face.
     
  4. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sakuraba was very talented and speedy. But he took a LOT of risks for the sake of entertainment. I think, in some ways his abilities are under-rated because of this. Had he been a more cautious fighter, he likely would have far fewer losses. GSP, being so well rounded, so dynamic, and with such good striking at this stage of development in MMA just seems to catapult him to another level..

    However, we do have ******s like Griffen and Evans as UFC LHW champs today. Half the time I feel the sport has de-evolved.
     
  5. OuterDrake

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    Sakuraba falls short as he still borders in the one dimensional realm
     
  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Worst comment this year :patsch
     
  7. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    +1
     
  8. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    When was the last time you seen prime Sakuraba out-wrestled ?
    Even if GSP did get Sak down, it would only be briefly then Sak would be straight back up as he always did (prime.)

    Sak hits harder with both hands & feet, can match GSPs wrestling & strength & is a much better submission fighter + has fought & beat the better fighters.

    I made this thread so see how short some memories are & they sure are short.

    Sakuraba is right up there with Fedor as the best p4p MMA fighter ever, GSP is certainly on the right path but I think Sak would brutalize his legs in the stand up & eventually when they played the ground game, Sak would submit him, he subbed far better BJJ guys than GSP in his time.

    GSPs top 2 wins are Penn (LWT) & Hughes (past prime), what would Sak do to those guys ?
    Sak has defeated Rampage, Randlemann, Vernon White, Newton, Belfort, 4 Gracies, Ken Shamrock, you name it, he fought them all & only the Gracies didnt have a big size advantage over him, the sport hasnt evolved that much, look at Couture`s dominance in both era`s.

    I give GSP little chance vs Sakuraba.
     
  9. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Sakuraba was at the time the real definition of a p4p fighter. GSP is bigger than Saku. Saku at 180 is soft. Saku was also the first to break the aura of the Gracies, that alone should have him commended.

    In saying that, if they fight prime 4 prime.. I think GSP can eek out a decision based on his amazing ability to take you down and control you there. To me this is the kind of fighter GSP is, takedown and control. He has mastered it. I hate to say this but if someone can prevent the TD against George, he's an ordinary fighter standing up.

    Although Saku was very tricky on the ground and would go for a ton of subs I dont think he can sub GSP with or w/o vaseline.

    I cant count Saku out though, he is a more dynamic striker than GSP and he has underrated leg kicks. He is also very sturdy and have fought bigger and stronger guys.
     
  10. Shogun_12

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    makes me wanna see this fight, sadly saku is past his prime.
     
  11. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol:if gsp is ordinary standing so 95percent of ufc fighter are ordinary.
    but now I KNOW why you were saying BJ would beat GSP! That's because of the limited GSP on his feet right?
    You must think that Wanderlei is shitty on the ground, since he likes more to bang:patsch
     
  12. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    :lol: I just posted that just to get you all riled up. BTW Wanderlai has very ordinary ground game relatively speaking.
     
  13. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    GSPs only chance to beat Sakuraba is to get the takedown & work from the guard but even then I dont see Sak staying on the bottom for long, he was hardly ever on the bottom in his prime, I strongly doubt George could even out-wrestle Sak, he used to give his back to high level BJJ guys & go for the kimura & roll for leglocks & stuff but he was never dominated on the ground & I wouldnt be 1 bit suprised to see Sak take GSP down & beat the **** out of him from GSPs guard waiting for a mistake & boom, armbar.

    Ive seen every single Sakuraba fight in his prime, from the HWT tourney fight in UFC Japan 97 were he armbarred the massive Conan Silvera to the 2nd Wand Silva fight, Ive seen many more like vs Randlemann, Nogueira, Arona etc but his prime was between the Silvera & Wand 2nd fight, after that he was in bad decline.

    That version of Sakuraba would hand GSP his ass.
     
  14. jimmie

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    GSP is probablly the most complete fighter in MMA history and I can say without any doubt hes more complete then Sakuraba not to mention he clearly trains harder and would have worked on a perfect gameplan with coach Greg Jackson. Sakuraba would have a submission fighters chance but GSP at this stage is very good at nullifying a guys submission game anyone who knows anything about grappling knows how accomplished BJ Penn and Matt Serra are and look at what they did vs GSP nothing blank nadda hell BJ couldnt accomplish much in the 1st fight on the ground either. GSP now is much more improved from the guy who got armbarred by Hughes then in ADCC 2005.
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    GSP is more athletic & more explosive but Sakuraba is super relaxed, extremely smart & a better technician in grappling.
    Sak also takes the better shot which could be vital too.