GSP v SAKURABA....... Who Wins ?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Bill Butcher, Feb 19, 2009.


  1. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are letting sententalism get in the way of logic, and being totally revisionist.

    BJ is just as "relaxed, smart, and technical" on the ground, with a much better stand up game. Saying Sak takes a better shot is exagerating one night when Serra won the lottery and ignoring Nino Schembri doing the same; Sak was also knocked out twice by Wanderlei, but that doesn't really prove anything bad about Sak, but GSP only has the one. Saying Sak actually hits harder is criminal; GSP knocks fighters out, great fighters, Sak did not have even comparable power or skills.

    GSP just does everything but hail Mary submissions better, and is a significantly stronger, faster, better athlete in every possible way.

    The best case scenario for Sak would be something like the Mezger fight where a well rounded fundamentally sound striker is far too cautious and yet still deserved the win.

    I know this comes off as marginalizing a great fighter but it isn't; I think Sak presents a stylistic nightmare for plenty of modern fighters, especially guys ***** are from sport grappling or wrestlers who need the takedown, but GSP is not somebody who would have trouble with him in any position.
     
  2. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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  3. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So basically you are letting personal feelings on a guy you really know nothing about personally interfere with all evidence and facts to the contrary and won't change your mind no matter what?

    It doesn't even make sense; you don't like watching him because he is an illegitimate champion? You've never even seen him as a champion, he has never fought as a champion. If you had never seen Forrest or Rashad on TUF, they came into the UFC without it which they were both qualified to do, and judged them on their accomplishments, would you feel even remotely the same?

    The TUF=scrub myth has been destroyed.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is just garbage.
     
  5. codeman99998

    codeman99998 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think GSP wins by KO in pride rules. It would be easy to him to throw knees to the head, he throws so many knees to the shoulders and body of grounded opponents anyways.
     
  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    So saying BJ Penn doesnt hit as hard as Sakuraba or isnt as good a wrestler as Sakuraba is garbage ? :huh
    You do realise that Sakuraba usually weighed between 180 & 185 dont you ?

    Why dont you try taking your head out of your ass, your more than likely one of those ignorant ****s that refuse to accept anyone that never fought in America or the UFC.

    Go watch Some Sakuraba fights in his prime then you`ll realise that he`d **** GSP up big time, he`d dislocate GSPs elbow joint in under 3 rds.
     
  7. québecwarrior

    québecwarrior Georges 'Rush' St-Pierre Full Member

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    You are more biased than I am:yepI didnt think it was possible.
    At least, I can say it that, Fedor would beat GSP:hey
     
  8. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Saku fought Royce for three day's ffs.

    GSP beats him easily.

    Saku is too old school for GSP.

    Matt Hughes wouldhave beatn Saku.

    John fitch and Kos would have beaten him too.

    Florian at 155 would beat Saku at 185. :lol:
     
  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Styles make fights, just because Hughes beat Royce in 1 rd & Sak took 1 & half hrs doesnt mean Sak would lose to Hughes.

    Your obviously another one that cant see outside the UFC or America, I know your not ******ed enough to be serious about the Florian comment so I`ll let that one go.... but I have a feeling you believe the rest of that **** you typed.

    Go watch Sakuraba fight..... then feel stupid about the Fitch & Kos comments.
    GSP & Hughes I can accept as they are the best ever at 170 tho I 100% disagree that they could beat Sak but the rest of that stuff you wrote makes me think you have been an MMA fan for about 2 yrs tops.
     
  10. Grievesy

    Grievesy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think GSP wins this either by decision or TKO. I'd say he would want to keep this standing where he has the striking advantage and maybe power. TBH neither have/had much pop. GSP would want to avoid the ground as much as possible as Sakuraba could pull subs out of nowhere. If he did go to the ground though he had best be on top where he can GNP otherwise Saku would have subbed him.

    Of course with someone like Saku GSP would have to be on top of his game for the whole fight. Just one arm left out or leg left in and Saku would have taken it home with him.

    Back to reality though Sakuraba should really retire. It's gone beyond maybe sounding like he's punch drunk, you can see it clearly on his face that he has taken one heavy blow too many.
     
  11. Tuffnutz

    Tuffnutz ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    :stir :yep

    Seriously, i believe that prime GSP and Hughes would definelty beat a prime Saku.
     
  12. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ooh, I dunno about Hughes... I think Saku handles hughes.
     
  13. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    sakuraba is called the Gracie hunter for all his wins vs the gracie's. sakuraba would beat GSP no doubt about it. He has fought strikers before and did well. He got knockout by wanderlei silva but so did a lot of silva's opponent back then did. Silva back then was super human :lol:

    Sakuraba has one of the best ground game. i give GSP an advantage on striking but when they are on the ground he will be in trouble with sakuraba. Serra and Penn are very god on the ground but they are smaller than GSP. Sakuraba is taller than both and bigger than Gsp's past opponents.

    Prime sakuraba is hard to beat just ask the gracie's :D
     
  14. Vitor Belfort

    Vitor Belfort Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    just put it this way.. you think gsp and hughes can beat a prime vitor belfort? :nono sakuraba beat a prime belfort
     
  15. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Yep, he should have retired yrs ago but bad recent fights when he`s shot to **** doesnt erase what he could do & did do in his prime.

    Every fighter should be judged by their prime yrs & Sak was 1 of the best ever, no doubt at all about that.