GSP v SAKURABA....... Who Wins ?

24 vs 9

There are 24 of us who no NOTHING about MMA and the exceptional few who are MMA historians over here. Bow down bitches.

 

GSP got knocked out by a midget who can't punch. Like Waldo being battered by Corrie Sanders, I'll never forget that

 

Yes I mean its 24 to 9.. Thats a drubbing. Mercy. I love them polls.

Lets just hope GSP wins against Alves

 

If we are going to examine Saku's record before he was 31 than let's do it!

Let's see... we got a win over Marcus Silveira... whoever that is.
Vernon White... means nothing.
He beat Carlos Newton. That's good. He beat Allan Goes, Vitor, Royler, and Royce, and a couple nobodies.

Not bad.

Now let's look at Georges St. Pierre's record before HE was 31.

Penn twice.
Hughes twice.
Fitch.
Koscheck.
Parisyan.
1-1 dominant rematch victory over Serra.
Frank Trigg
Sean Sherk


yeah... Their primes are comparable...

 

I dont know how long youve been watching MMA but those resumes are competitive. I must say Im leaning towards Saku. Conan was a tough Heavyweight. Royce was undefeated still, Goes was one of Carlsons best students. Vitors vitor. Can you imagine, St. Pierre and a 24 year old 200 pound Vitor. Saku alse defeated Rampage!

And check this out. Sakus smaller than GSP.

But anyway, the poll favors GSP

 

Royce lost to Hughes and, frankly, would have lost to many of the fighters that St. Pierre beat.

I misspoke, Saku only DREW with Goes anyways.

Conan was 3-1 losing to Maurice Smith before losing to Saku. He later avenged that loss and lost to Dan Severn and Wes Sims. Not a bad career, but nothing of incredible note.

Sure, Vitor is Vitor. It's a good win... but one win doesn't compare to the many wins over great fighters by GSP.

Saku defeated Rampage after his 31st birthday so I did not include it.

Also, did I mention GSP still has 4 years until he turns 31?

 

The Royce of today doesnt compare to the one Saku fought. The Hughes that GSP defeated are past prime. The last one shot.

Hughes prime was the one that fought Penn. Koscheck, Fitch, Karo. Sorry you cant compare these guys to Renzo alone. At the time Renzo was a ****in beast. Serra lol please..GSP dominated him in the second fight but Serra owned him in the first. BJ I give him that, hes a LW but its probably GSPs best win.

Heres the difference, GSP fights mostly smaller opponents while Saku fights LHWs

Anyway the poll says GSP, cant argue with polls.

 

It is a hard comparison to make really.

For GSP, almost everybody he fought was either a champion or a contender, but they were all his weight class or smaller.

Trigg was considered the second best in the world at 170
Sherk was still considered the 3rd.
BJ had never lost the UFC belt in the ring after beating Hughes.
Hughes was the most succesful fighter as a champion in MMA.
Koscheck was a top 5 guy, and more importantly probably the second best guy in wrestling, which is probably the most vital aspect in regards to GSP.
Fitch was the obvious #2, and really still is.
BJ again was the undisputed dominant champ of 155.

So really it is apples and oranges, on one hand you have Very good to great fighters that are bigger, on the other hand you have the best fighters in the world at the same weight.

Comparing the two is difficult, but in a head to head fight, both men are roughly the same size, yes Sakuraba weighs slightly more, but certainly has less muscle mass and strength; in reality in terms of lean body mass GSP is bigger, Sakuraba is 2 inches taller at most.

Since they are the same size, their ability to fight bigger fighters isn't really the issue; who can beat who's opponents is not what is going to decide the fight, how GSP would do against Sakuraba's opponents is not relevant to how he would do against Sakuraba. Head to head, GSP has better takedowns than Sakuraba has takedown defense, better takedown defense than Sakuraba has takedowns, better striking, better ground and pound, and has only been submitted once, and even that was outside of his absolute prime, which seems to make it irrelevant in your mind.

 

Hughes fought BJ2 and GSP2 2 months apart; he was prime in one and past his prime 2 months later?

Renzo was coming off a loss to Tamura of all people.

Serra is a better loss than Schembri.

I hate sounding so negative about Sakuraba, but there is a fine line between giving him his proper respect as a legend, and changing history as we see fit to make him appear even greater.

 

I said its comparable as far as resume. Its very hard to compare like you said since Saku was a very late entry into MMA. He was 27 (as old as GSP now when he started). Outside of prime, I dont think anyone can compare with Sakus resume whether he won or lost. He had the best level of opposition in MMAs history. Sakus status can only get better and GSP can still improve his but he can also damage it.

Like I said on paper, GSP. I agree with the poll.

 

cuz the thread says GSP vs sakuraba and sakuraba is a middleweight:good so i used vitor as an example.

 

A great analogy can be made with Koaklai of K1; nobody else his size is going to be a competitive heavyweight, he could probably make 155 and fight in max. The guys in max are obviously not going to be able to handle the heavyweights with the success that Koallai had, but Baukaw would tear him to shreds in a head to head fight; handling larger fighters better than somebody your size really has little bearing on if you can beat the guy your size who has beat the best in the world at his size.

 

In Fairness to Saku, no one at the time could have beaten him at 170. Not even Hughes, which I think he would have submitted. BTW you cant compare kickboxing to this. Thats a sport that relies more on skills and specific techniques as compared to MMA. Being able to get used to different or bigger bodies wrestling or any type of newaza beit JJ or Judo helps your body adapt and is certainly advantageous (strengthwise) against smaller guys. This is why Saku was able to manhandle guys his size like Renzo and totally manhandle smaller guys like Royler

 

exactly i give GSP props for beating those guys but the guys sakuraba beat are legends.
Here's a list of sakuraba's opponents
defeated
allan goes
carlos newton
vitor belfort
royler gracie
guy mezger
royce gracie
renzo graice
ryan gracie
rampage jackson
kevin randleman
ken shamrock
ikuhisa minowa

loss to much bigger guys
Kimo
Igor Vovchanchyn
wanderlei siklva 2x
mirko crocop
antonio rogerio noguiera
ricardo arona
royce gracie--tested positive with drugs in system.. plus it was a 39 yrs old sakuraba


look at the guys he loss too... much bigger than he is.. put GSP against the middleweight and lets see how he does. SAKURABA "GRACIE HUNTER" is a ****ing beast. They go head to head -sakuraba will **** GSP's world up.

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