Guerreros HIGH WORK rate will be his undoing vs Mayweather Jr. His Gift & his Curse!

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  1. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Most people disregard CompuBox stats and although it isnt 100% accurate, it does give you a good idea of each fighters effectiveness in landing punches vs his opponent.

    Stat-wise, Guerrero went 254-972, to 189-528 for Aydin. Aydin landed 42% of his power shots.

    In the Berto fight..
    Berto in TOTAL Punches was
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    ALSO Berto actually landed more punches in the 2nd half of the fight
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    than he did in the first half. In the first 6 rounds Berto landed 53 punches and in the last 6 rounds he landed 99. Robert actually had a higher work rate in the 2nd half of their but landed less than he did in the first half....how is this possible? Is it because of Guerrero's "iffy" stamina in the 2nd half of fights????:think
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    Floyd Mayweather vs the last southpaw that he faced which was Victor Ortiz in 4 rounds he landed a staggering 49% percent of his power shots.....Ortiz is a far more dangerous & bigger opponent than Guerrero is. IMHO.

    In both of these fights
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    , The Ghost really didnt have an effective jab working while walking in range of either Aydin or Berto. Every fighter that Mayweather has ever fought except for 1 fight
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    , his opponent has had a higher work rate or punch volume and still was easily defeated. Every fighter that Floyd has fought has had their normal punch output/volume decrease and dissipate while in the ring vs him. Coincidence?:-(

    Now if Aydin or Berto can land as easily as they did vs Guerrero over the course of 12 rounds then I expect Mayweather who is one of the best defensive and most accurate boxers in the history of the sport to easily land in every single round all while nullifying Guerreros high work rate.

    I think The Ghost deserves his shot at the WBC title since he is the #1 challenger but only a fool would think that Guerrero has any chance to emulate his past or more recent performances vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. It is of my belief that he will be thoroughly outclassed and beat up vs Floyd come May 4th. I will even say that I expect Floyd to stop Robert Via TKO by way of Ref stoppage or Ruben Guerrero throwing in the towel to save his son from extensive punishment. BOOK IT!:deal
     
  2. Dr. Seuss

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    The thing is, Cotto was able to take the sting off of Mayweather's punches by keeping him off balance.

    Berto is obviously **** in almost every department compared to Mayweather, but he is good at taking a beating, and he probably has a lower center of gravity. If anything, he can punch harder.

    But in order to beat a boxer of Mayweather's calibur, Guerrero may HAVE to throw punches.

    Lots and lots of punches.
     
  3. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Mayweather moved up in weight, and was outweighed by almost 15lbs vs a better fighter. Also Cotto cuts the ring off better and was still outlanded in total punches, jabs and power punches.

    How can we gauge Bertos Power when he has never Ko'd an elite fighter? Gloyd has Ko'ed numerous elite fighters because he is a better puncher, athlete and boxer.
     
  4. Dr. Seuss

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    Mayweather allows himself to be cornered. I don't understand why he does this.

    Maybe he did it purposely against Cotto because Cotto has a history of fading, but Mayweather also took more punishment than usual, and was kept off balance.

    Guerrero has a better tank than Cotto and may be stronger.

    If he can consistantly keep Floyd off balance, Floyd won't have anything on his punches. He won't have his feet underneath him.

    If that's the case, he won't hurt Guerrero. This will give Guerrero a chance to step back and throw hard shots.

    It will also give him countering opportunites if he sometimes steps back when Floyd is throwing, which I imagine he will.

    Also, I doubt Cotto weighed 15 more lbs than Mayweather.

    Cotto is really a 147 lb fighter masquerading as a 154 lb fighter. Trout proved he doesn't belong in that weight class.
     
  5. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Punishment? Cotto landed 105 punches:lol:...13 more than Mosley did:lol:

    Hell Oscar landed 122 punches
     
  6. Dr. Seuss

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    Cotto gave him a rougher fight than either of those guys. The work that he put on his body, even if he landed on his arms and shoulders were harder to overcome for Mayweather than the mostly ineffective work that Oscar and Mosley put on.

    A lot of this is due to Mayweather's age. Shots that wouldnt' bother you at all when you were younger add up when you're older.

    That's why guys like Hopkins MOVE. They don't stand in once place. You don't see Hopkins take punches, even on the gloves or arms because he knows that he can't take those shots like he did when he was younger.

    What exactly is the point of this? I mean, what do you want me to say?

    That I suck his balls?

    I ain't gonna say that ****.
     
  7. Dunks

    Dunks Absolute Grandmaster Full Member

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    Cotto is good at cutting off the ring....Oscar and Mosley cant do this..nor can Guerrero....
     
  8. thawk888

    thawk888 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He never watched Cotto(e)'s early career when he was almost strictly, seek and destroy type pressure.
     
  9. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That will only leave him more vulnerable and open for Floyd to counter him.
     
  10. PBF24

    PBF24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Guerrero doesn't try to make it an ugly fight by pushing Floyd against ropes and making it a rough inside fight and only wants to keep the fight on the outside, then Floyd might actually look great in this fight.
     
  11. Dr. Seuss

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    You're right.

    And maybe I'm giving Floyd too much credit. Floyd is no Rigo. He can't move like that.

    The only way I can think of to beat Rigo is to walk through hell and fire to land your punches and never stop.

    I think Guerrero has more options because Floyd doesn't have the foot movement that Rigo has.

    Guerrero doesn't have to press the entire fight. He can afford to set his feet because Floyd will let him.
     
  12. Dr. Seuss

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    Man, Ortiz cut the ring off on Mayweather.

    Can you imagine Hopkins getting the ring cut off by an Ortiz level fighter?
     
  13. DBLOCK

    DBLOCK Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i don't think floyd will fight ghost off the ropes.if he does he won't win.he'll fight him the same way he fought ortiz.
     
  14. Pro

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    Everything Floyd hits Guerrero with is going to hurt
    especially the shots to the body...Guerrero has no d.
     
  15. Yungkid16

    Yungkid16 T.E.D Full Member

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    but Guerrero took shots from Aydin.