Gunboat Smith deafeats Sam Langford

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  1. BitPlayerVesti

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    The Boston Daily Globe- 18 Nov 1913 (page 6)
    "Gunboat" Smith, the "white hope" whom Jim Buckleyof New York has been grooming for quite a while, stands a greater hope today than he ever did, for befor nearly 7000 fans last night at the Atlas A. A. he won the award over Sam Langford in their 12-round bout. The decision was a just one, for only in about three rounds did Langford have the honors.

    The Boston Post- 18 Nov 1913 (Page 10)
    By Doc Almy
    Sam Langford, the Boston "Tar Baby," hittherto considered invincible, lost the decision to "Gunboat" Smith of San Francisco in their 12-round bout last night at the Atlas A. A.
    The Victory which boosts Smith into the limelight as the leading American heavyweight, was clearlt won, he outpointing Sam in at least six round, while holding him even in several of the others.

    Boston Journal- 18 Nov 1913 (page 8)
    DOUBTS THAT BOUT WAS ON THE LEVEL
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    By Peter F. Kelley
    Gunboat Smith was awarded the decision over Sam Langford at the end of their 12-round bout at the Atlas A. A. last night, and it was Smith's trusty left that held the formidable Tar Baby at bay. Can you imagine a man who outjabbed Joe Gans and Sandy Ferguson being outjabbed so completely that he was all at sea?

    The Boston Herald- 18 Nov 1913 (page 1)
    White Hope Clearly Outpoints Boston Boxer in All but Two of Twelve Rounds— Local Man Held Big Favorite and Upset Comes as Great Surpise to Record Crowd of 6000
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    In one of the best fights ever witnessed in Boston between heavyweights. Gunboat Smith of California defeated Sam Langford of Boston in a 12-round bout at the Atlas A. A. last night. It marked the closing of the Back Bay Club, which has been forced to vacate owing to the indoor skating and hockey season. The result was a surprise, for prior to entering the ring Langford was pronounced favorite. The attendance was one of the largest that ever witnessed a boxing match in Boston.
     
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  2. BitPlayerVesti

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    @mcvey Since I mentioned this earlier.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Thanks I'll take at look at what ClayMoyle's book has to say too.
     
  4. BCS8

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    I seem to remember Gunboat Smith was more of a slugger?
     
  5. FrankinDallas

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    Sam pulverized Smith in the rematch later that year.
     
  6. FrankinDallas

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    I just took a look myself...
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Smith was fighter with ability. In addition to being a prime Langford, he defeated quite few Jack Johnson title opponents in Ross , Flynn, Willard and Moran. A very hot fighter in 1912 and 1913.
     
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    Moyle quotes Smith from a 1942 article saying "I knew I was going to win because he was fat, hog fat".Langford admitted he did hardly any training for the contest .There qwere rumours before the fight that Sam had agreed to letSmithstay the limit and some said even win ,but Smiths manager hotly denied this.It's probable that Langford just wasnt in any kind of shape and realising he was losing he tried desperately to turn the tide but his lack of condition just would not allow him to do so.The reports say Smith kept it at long range boxing behind his jab and crossing with his big right when he saw the openings.Langford credited him with the win and remarked how hard he hit. Smith's time was from Dec 27th 1912 when he beat Moran, until July 1914 when he was beaten by Carpentier and subsequently wiped out by Langford.That's a window of 18 months. The 1912 Moran had beaten no one of note and lost 3 fights that year.
     
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  9. BitPlayerVesti

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    I wouldn't disagree with that.

    The reports note Langford was carrying a lot of weight and was tired.

    Worth pointing out Gunboat Smith maybe had some issues too in the rematch, the reports say he seems to have be drawn and weak and he apparently said later that he'd been ill.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Some reports estimated Langford was 30lbs overweight for the 1st Smith fight.
    Moyle has Smith pale with fear when he sees what shape Langfrod was in for the rematch.He quotes Sam as follows."Gunnah Im in puffect shape t'nite".He floored Smith for a 7 count in the 1st rd,dropped him twice in the second ,and put him away for good in the 3rd,several sportswriters believed Smith chose to stay down.
     
  11. BitPlayerVesti

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    I'll go through it properly and amybe do anotehr thread on it. I'd only had a quick look at the second fight
     
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  12. JWSoats

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    Gunboat Smith was still alive when Peter Heller interviewed him in the early 70s for his book "In This Corner". Heller wrote this book so as to give as many champions as possible to tell their own stories in their own words. Gunboat Smith's piece was one of the most interesting for it covered the Johnson era. He says of his victory over Langford "I won that fight but wasn't any good afterward. When we fought again he beat me easily."
     
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  13. Boilermaker

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    Didnt ko Jack Johnson at this time? :eatingburger:treadmill::pancarta:
     
  14. Mendoza

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    Smith was quoted in the book " And he never forgot it, referring to the punch that floored / TKO'd Johnson."

    When you look at Smith beating Johnson's title opponents, plus Langford, he earned a shot.

    You could probably argue he was the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world for a short period of time.

    If you have seen Smith on film, his stance is interesting. High on the elbows. I think the sparring clips around today were early in his career. Smith became much better as his career progressed.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Yes, but was it the one and only Jack Johnson, or the Jack Johnson Ko'd in 1 round in Maine?:eeek: