Guys who were unflappable

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Saintpat, May 30, 2023.


  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    There’s a certain level of focus that every fighter must have to succeed, but some take it to the next level. They’d keep punching and trying to win if an earthquake happened in the arena.

    Figured it might make a good topic to examine who held the quality of unnatural focus and inability to get off their game by any surrounding occurrence.

    The most obvious example to me is Evander Holyfield:

    A few people say he beat Riddick Bowe because of Fan Man, but the distraction of some dude flying in and crashing outside the ring (and getting beaten to a pulp, lol) was equal for both guys. One handled it; the other, while Bowe didn’t seem upset or rattled, didn’t keep that laser focus.

    To me, it’s a lazy excuse because it still comes down to what each is made of, which is singularly focused to win the fight. Evander kept to his knitting and won the fight. If Bowe let it affect him, that’s a chink in his armor.

    And then we get to Tyson II: Holyfield gets his ear bitten — not once (with a chunk taken out) but twice. Yes, he reacted, but when the action resumed he got straight back to fighting … in fact, it’s Mike who completely lost his cool. He could have gotten away with one bite and maybe even had a mental edge had he gone straight back to fighting, with Evander wondering when the next bite might occur, but he completely lost it and went for more.

    But you don’t see Holyfield screaming for a DQ, betting the referee for help (like Tyson kept doing) … he just kept fighting.

    Who else wasn’t prone to distraction no matter the circumstance? And let’s stick with extraordinary circumstances, not just getting back up from a knockdown or fighting through a cut or whatever.
     
  2. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,901
    9,172
    Apr 9, 2020
  3. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,974
    3,586
    Jun 28, 2005
    Marciano
    Sal Sanchez
    PBF
    Monzon
    JCC
    B-Hop
    Hagler
     
    Barm, Fergy and Smokin Bert like this.
  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    I agree he had a stoic persona, like Salvador Sanchez or Alexis Arguello, where you’d never know from his expression if he was up 10 rounds or down 10 rounds … but what type of distractions/situations did he overcome?
     
    Jel likes this.
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    This is more along the lines of a guy weathering a storm, but watch the body bombing Thomas Hearns put on him and you’ll see a guy who never loses his focus even though he had to be really hurting from those shots … hell, they hurt me just to watch.
     
    Fergy and William Walker like this.
  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    Good call on Marciano, persevering with his nose split in half vs. Ezzard, but not sure I get the others.

    Hagler in particular vs. Leonard wasn’t a guy who was unwavering in his focus to win … he came out in the wrong stance because he wanted to show everybody he could outbox Ray. Good plan, didn’t work.
     
    Mike_b likes this.
  7. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Boxing Addict banned Full Member

    3,385
    6,502
    May 9, 2023
    Lennox Lewis always seemed an unflappable type of guy. Just went in and did the business without much that bothered him.

    I would put Usyk in the same category. Nothing much bothers him. Kostya Tszyu another. Fought most of his big fights in front of hostile audiences and gave them nothing.
     
    Mike_b likes this.
  8. Mike_b

    Mike_b Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,046
    2,671
    Jul 9, 2020
    It's definitely Floyd , he fights at such a hyper focused high nervousness level that he's always cognizant of the threat at hand. I guess a thing he isn't praised for enough is his conditioning, when Floyd fights, he fights the whole damn fight. Before the Cotto fight, the concensus was that Cotto was the less mentally tough than Floyd and it showed. His mental stamina ranks up there. Matter of fact, Miguel himself is seldom ever thrown off his game on second thought. Always swinging away, following a gameplan, fights when buzzed, feels the need to comeback when he's lacking/ slacking.

    This is an interesting topic op! Because at the same token there are plenty fighters who don't stay in the zone, like Zab super Judah who if with having laser focus, could possibly have all wins in his career. And I hate to say this, but jt was getting out worked during the jirov fight, roach mentioned it, he sweared "chit " or "fawk" but it took him a few more rounds then got the job done.

    It's like the dude hitting the pads in training, if he can't remember the combo, bop him in the head and tell him to focus! (And try again) lol.
     
    Saintpat likes this.
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    Brian Mitchell defending his 130-pound crown on the road all over the world because the WBA banned title fights in his native South Africa says loads — especially considering he was always risking being at the mercy of judges and refs in someone else’s home territory and he wasn’t a big puncher.
     
    robert ungurean likes this.
  10. Mike_b

    Mike_b Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,046
    2,671
    Jul 9, 2020
    Man I gotta say glencoffe johnson, he wasn't called the road warrior for nothing. He went into everybody's back yard and changed the style in which he fought, as to be more aggressive and for the judges, less robberies, and for us the fans, it was aesthetically brilliant. He had the character to never quit, and got a peace of that "knocked out Roy Jones" pie. They said his fight with Jones was so exciting because not because he was getting his azz kicked but because there was a ton of action in it! If there's ever a fighter who got a late million dollar payday, it deserves to be Glen road warrior Johnson.
     
  11. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,974
    3,586
    Jun 28, 2005
    Very true, but that was the last fight of his long battle-hardened career. In the same way that I don't use the Hearns fight to take away from Duran's chin, I don't use this fight to take away from my belief that Hagler almost always tried to win every fight he fought in. His record as a champ, outside of this fight surely allows this, no?
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    Dwight Muhammad Qawi in his ‘Best I Faced’ said Matthew Saad Muhammad was the biggest puncher.

    In fact, he related that in their first fight MSM hit him so hard that he was literally seeing upside down for part of a round — as in something in the nerve endings or brain receptor got rattled so much that it appears to Qawi as if Matthew was head-down, feet-up.

    This is with a hard-punching champion facing him, no way of knowing if that phenomenon would right itself and his vision would correct.

    He managed to keep going until MSM flipped right side-up, so to speak.

    I’d have freaked the **** out and quit, myself. But Qawi kept his cool and stayed in it. Even if that was just a brief period of a round, it had to be scary as all get-out.
     
    robert ungurean and Flash24 like this.
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

    98,721
    30,670
    Jun 2, 2006
    Salvador Sanchez
    Wilfred Benitez
     
  14. Storm-Chaser

    Storm-Chaser Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,852
    1,577
    Sep 5, 2022
    I remember foreman was commenting for HBO at the time with a fellow boxing commentator when a mob flooded the ring and people were getting steamrolled, to the left and right. Other guy was happy he was next to 6'4" 260lb Foreman :) I forget the actual fight now, though.

    But in the ring, I'd have to say Foreman again, vs Holyfield, when Holyfield hit him with 20 or so unanswered punches and he still didn't go down, that was impressive to say the least. Everyone was a bit shell shocked because most of those were flush shots to the head, and he still stood, when most heavyweight's half his age would have easily fallen.
     
    Fergy likes this.
  15. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    24,715
    29,540
    Jun 26, 2009
    Holy tried to chop down that tree and found out it was a petrified redwood that wasn’t going anywhere, haha.

    Not to mention George fighting on vs. Alex Stewart. He got his sinus busted open or something and his face swelled up like a melon … and George just kept working that jab and won the fight.
     
    Storm-Chaser likes this.