Guys who would beat Kessler

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I see the 1-2 putting Jermain away as well. He gets cute trying to get angles on Kessler, gets timed, and caught. A flush straight from Kessler will sting more than both losses to Pavlik. :nod

    Hopkins and Dawson I see as problematic because of their size/craftiness and size/athleticism respectively. Kessler had trouble with Joe's ability to think on his feet and adapt on the fly, if anyone can match that level of cerebral improvisation in the ring it's Bernard. Kessler's also typically always the more athletic guy in the ring...would not be the case with Chad.
     
  2. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    I dont like mechanical fighters. They are usually good B-B+ level guys, but they dont have that extra something whether being unnatural speed or strength that puts them with the elite. Some have been claiming Kesslers elite, he's not. Calzaghe let him hit him square on the chin and Kessler didnt bring and force behind it, Kesslers just not special sorry. And he's done nothing to prove that fact, his camp knowing they cant possibly beat Dawson is proof of that.

    I think it will be just as bad as Adamek was.

    Hopkins picks fighters like Kessler apart. He just doesnt lose to guys who arent fast and active who throw punches from a variety of angles. Hopkins would be timing Kessler all night. Just like he was timing Pavlik.

    If Taylor sticks his jab, and doesnt stand right in front of Kessler, there is a good possibility he could win the fight.
     
  3. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    The only fight worth seeing was the fight against Calzaghe. And thats all you need to see. I dont care about fighting 1 dimensional bums like Mundine and Andrade.

    He got into the ring with a skilled fast BOXER like Calzaghe and got blown out of the water. Hell where was his so called power? Hopkins has more power in his right then Kessler does in any one punch.

    Like I said. He gets whipped by Dawson. Semi-whipped by Hopkins. And I see the fight with Taylor being 50-50 depending on what shape and mentality Taylor is in.
     
  4. TomaTos

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    Dawson :patsch ?
    Johnson :patsch ?
    Taylor :patsch ?

    Hopkins has a chance if he hold like he did against Calzaghe, if he try to fight Kessler like he did vs Pavlik he will gaz out and get seriously hurt late in the fight. Calzaghe and Kessler are the two best fighter from 160 to 175. If Hopkins had try to fight Calzaghe, he would have been outpunch so bad, he hold because Joe was just too good.
     
  5. PH|LLA

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    Maybe Hopkins, maybe Dawson. I think neither beats him.

    Glen Johnson gets his ass kicked. Taylor loses too.
     
  6. TomaTos

    TomaTos Active Member Full Member

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    Dont you realize that Kessler fight Calzaghe like a man and still win 4 rounds? Hopkins did win 4 rounds too but he hold and grab for 12 rounds, if Hopkins had fight Calzaghe like a man, he wouldnt have won a single round;.
     
  7. TomaTos

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    Btw guys, did you see Taylor vs Lacy, im watching it right now..., BAD BAD BAD..., Lacy is shot since the Calzaghe fight and Taylor cant KO him or beat him down? Kessler KO5 this version of Jeff Lacy. Andrade is way better than Lacy and Kessler toy with him for 12 rounds, how the **** is Taylor supposed to win any round vs Kessler ? Taylor is a freaking robot for god sake.
     
  8. Danny_Rand

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    Fight like a man. :rofl You are lucky judges dont score clean effective punching anymore, or alot of the scores would have been just like the BBC, associated press, and ESPN had it. A Hopkins victory.

    Kessler got blown out of the water against Calzaghe. HE may have stolen a round or 2 down the stretch, but by round 7-8 everyone knew he was going to lose.

    Kessler is a mechanical fighter, they dont know how to adjust or adapt. He starts losing, the only thing that goes off in his mind, "well maybe if I just punch harder" While guys like Calzaghe and Hopkins scheme throughout the fight like chest masters, all Kesslers got is the combination he worked on in the gym, that fails, he fails.
     
  9. TomaTos

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    And how the **** can you judge Kessler from is fight with Calzaghe, cause from what I remember, he finish the fight very strong, not the case from Hopkins who look tired as hell in the last couple of rounds.

    I dont know if you guys are blind or what but Hopkins, Dawson, Taylor, Bute, etc, nobody beat Kessler, not even Calzaghe if they fight next in a rematch.
     
  10. TomaTos

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    LOL, you are so bias..., the right score was 9-3 for Joe like one of the judge had it, it could have been 8-4 at worse..., Adelaine Byrd is a freaking idiot, should never judge a fight again.

    Now it's funny, you give 7 or 8 rounds to Hopkins but 1-2 at best for Kessler? Joe vs Kess was much closer and competitive then Joe vs bhops.

    It's funny you point out Kessler as Mechanical since Taylor is a robot but beat Hopkins close twice, Hopkins did not chess with him at all or outpunch him, he did nothing, hold and grab.

    It's funny you mention Kessler cant adapt..., I did not remember Hopkins adapt at all against Calzaghe..., if u call grab and hold adapt well **** you :deal !

    And btw, Taylor need to beat somebody like Bute (he wont), before stepping in the ring with Kessler.
     
  11. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Puh.... Kessler IS good and I am usually one of the ones that supports Kessler in arguments.

    However, dudes.... we need to get some perspective here.

    While Kessler IS good, Taylor IS better than ANYONE Kessler has beaten. In other words - Kessler has Never beaten anyone as good as Jermain. The only one Kessler has been in the ring with that can claim to be as good (or better) is Calzaghe - and Kessler lost.

    So while I agree it would be a good close fight, I still think it is unfair to state that Taylor has little chance or something like that. Someone that can beat Hopkins in two very close fights DEFINITELY Could beat Kessler (or AT LEAST should be given good odds that he can). Taylor in fact has a stronger resume than Kessler. Granted, Kessler looks good when he is in the ring, but it simply is impossible to know exactly how good he is when he fights guys like Haussler.

    For now, I have Jermain 55-45 favorite. Just because he has been in more superfights and he has won more superfights. Will the crowd get to Kessler, and can he even perform when it is not Haussler in the other corner? I know he went to Australia, but honestly Mundine does not have the biggest cojones in the world and both Siaca and Kesslr made him bow down by bullying him. Taylor will not bow down from bullying. Also Taylor is likely to be slightly taller than KEssler in reality, while Mundine is noticably smaller than Kessler.
     
  12. TomaTos

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    Geez christ..., some people here are BLIND !

    Time will tell that you guys are idiot..., same guys picking Jones to beat Calzaghe I guess...
     
  13. Carlos Primera

    Carlos Primera Boxing Addict Full Member

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    kessler beats taylor pretty handily imo. taylor for some reason goes through periods where he gets gun shy. especially if someone keeps firing at him.
     
  14. Danny_Rand

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    What do you mean how could I only judge Kessler from one fight? Why would I care about his fights with one dimensional bums when I saw him get worked over by someone whos not a 1 dimensional bum? It tells me, Kessler is only good against 1 dimensional bums, and lacks the skills to beat a top flight opponent.

    I had it 8-4 with alot of questionable rounds, plus the knockdown. So around 113-116 Joe. You see, I had trouble choosing between Bernards inactivity and Joe's slaps.

    Bull****. Hopkins knocked Calzaghe's ass to the ground. Won the first half of the fight then edged Joe out in a few of the later rounds. Far closer. Kessler was out of the fight by the halfway point. Hopkins was competitive till the end and landed the harder blow. Calzaghe never really landed anything solid on Bernard, except for a few sparse left hands. Bernard stunned Joe twice during the fight. Kessler caught Calzaghe with his best punch and Calzaghe barely blinked. Thats about all I can remember from the fight. Mostly Kessler looking dejected and defeated.

    Hell Enzo though Joe was losing the fight.

    Taylor beat Hopkins because he is faster and twice the athlete that Kessler is. Taylor has moments of brilliance in all his fights. In when he stands in front of his opponents is where he gets in trouble. WHen he fights, he can go with anybody in the game. He's alot like Zab Judah, he has the skills, its the mentality that gets him into trouble.

    Hopkins didnt need to adapt. Joe was coming in with flurries and Hopkins would try and land one big punch. He just got tired towards the end of the fight. A 35 year old Hopkins probably knocks Joe out if he came with that weak slaps during Bhops prime. All Hopkins really needed to do was be more active and he wins.

    Why?
     
  15. 1lehudson

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    I think that Johnson, Calzaghe, Dawson and Hopkins would be too much for him. I think that he would have a hard time keeping Johnson and Calzaghe off of him, and Hopkins would be too tough because Kessler can adjust in fights and Hopkins would take away his one two offense. Dawson is the one of the four that he would have the best shot of beatting, but I would say that would be 70-30..

    Fighters that he would be 50-50 with in my mind would be Taylor and Bute.

    Fighters that I would like to see him fight were he should win but they would be tough are Woods, Tarver and Green.

    If he dont fight one of those eight fighters then **** him, let he go the way of Brian Nielson and be a local hero that wasnt willing to put himself to the test.