Guzman Top 3 P4P - Yes he is!!!!!!!!

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Guzman should be top5 P4P. His talent is phenomenal and he is proving it by beating the best fighters in his 3rd division. Now the 2 champions at 130 want nothing to do with Guzman. Simply put Marquez and Paquiao would lose and their management won't let them anywhere Guzman. The best fighters at 122, 126 and 130 have avoided this man and now we see why.

    In a P4P argument he is better than Pacman, J Marquez, Cotto, R Marquez, J Diaz, Hatton, BHOPs and Winky. YES I SAID IT. His ability is better than all these fighters. His speed, movement, timing, defense, chin, decent power and combinations make him better than the forementioned.

    I hear the crys that his opposition. Prime Soto and Barrios are perhaps better than anyone either Marquez brother or Juan Diaz has beaten P4P (yes Barrera was a good win for Marquez but Barrera was past it). I'd also say Guzman beating Soto and Barrios is better than Pacquiao beating Morales and Barrera who were both past it and coming off losing streaks.

    Its sad Guzman is so avoided because he is a great fighter. He is in the same position of being Mr Avoided the likes of Harry Wills, Winky

    Guzman has just beaten the 2 best contenders at 135. Pacquiao is running scared thanks to the protection of Uncle Bob, Arrum has made an excuse to get out of this fight already after watching Guzman school the 2 best pressure fighters at 130.
     
    PowerPuncher, Nov 18, 2007
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  2. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    When you look at overall ability and talent, Guzman has a good case to be top 5 pound for pound. He's up there with guys like Mayweather, Calzaghe, Calderon, and Dawson in terms of talent.

    When looking at accomplishments, he's definitely not top 10.
     
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  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Guzman shouldn't be Top 3.....but I always find it amusing that posters call someone overrated when they lose.
     
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  4. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    He'd get credited for beating a slow and overrated fighter in Pac. But beating Pac would look good on anybody's resume.

    LOL@decent Power...you've got to be kidding me.
     
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  5. Quik

    Quik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hes certainly top 10 but not top 5 at all. He didn't beat anyone to be...
     
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  6. twenty1

    twenty1 Final Destruction Full Member

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    since when????.....last night??
     
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  7. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Right....and that makes him overrated? All you just proved was that you knew Guzman was a good fighter. That doesn't make Soto an overrated one.
     
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  8. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Skill and Talent wise he's top 10 but he hasn't done enough..I have him in my personal Top 15 p4p though
     
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  9. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    Guzman is a poor mans mayweather. The difference between him and floyd as seen in the soto fight. After he triples his left hook or whatever he gets tagged with a hard shot and hurt might I add at the end of an exchange. He has good recovery and balls. His movement is not that good but his defense with his arms and elbows are great as he learned under the Mayweather Sr. Fast hands, good accuracy and timing. But he gets complacent and admires his work too much. Pacman beats him.
     
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  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Now you're just reaching. Guzman beat Barrios ,a champion at 130, at HIS fight. And Barrios has since fought at 130 AGAIN, so I'm not buying any weight drain excuses.

    Either way, the only thing REAL I see is that he beat Soto pretty easily last night. And that makes him one of the top fighters at 130. Is he the best? Can't tell, I would guess no. But lots of guesses are wrong.
     
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  11. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Jesus that was almost a year ago..forget about that...

    Guzman just demolished Soto last night...

    I think Soto is still in the hospital clinging to his life

    Guzman reminds me of Godzilla..and I think he stops PAC in round 1

    Did you see his power...???

    Stop trollin noob
     
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  12. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Chill Chimba. Your sarcasm would be funnier if you weren't a Pacfan, fans who are more guilty of overhyping a fighter than most here at ESB.
     
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  13. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Nah Im a convert...

    how could you not be after that display last night...

    That was one of the most devastating performance this decade

    I'm a boxing fan afterall...:deal
     
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  14. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure you are. The display was that of a good fighter fighting a great fighter and losing cleanly. It was a good not dominant performance.
     
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  15. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    He has P4P talent. Thats about it.
     
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