Guzman Top 3 P4P - Yes he is!!!!!!!!

I am comparing their physical attributes. Remember, Chavez is far more skilled than Pacquiao too....while Whitaker had a speed advantage over Chavez, Chavez had something Pacquiao doesn't. TIMING. I doubt you know what that is. If you do, then you should have gotten it. My obvious point was that power and chin don't equal victory.

And no, Pacquiao and Guzman don't have the same speed. Pacquiao is explosive, Guzman is faster in footspeed and maybe handspeed. If Guzman misses, he can get out of the way. Pacquiao cannot...

 

Well you must not have been here when I was 50/50 for the 1st Morales/Pac fight because I thought Morales had the skills+height+chin to outbox Pac. Ive always said the perfect antidote to power is chin and if Morales could take Pac's punches, he would outbox him. Luckily, Pac hit alot harder with Reyes gloves and overall has improved his game alot since then. And the reason why I never exploited Pac's weaknesses for the rest of the fights is simply because I believed they stood no chance. Velasquez, Larios, MAB, Solis?

Guzman will sometimes be there, sometimes he wont be. One thing is for sure, Pac will miss, and he will throw another, and another until he lands or gets countered forward. To which he will respond and Guzzy will respond and Pac will get the better of the 2. Pac will slow Guz down alot with body and head punches. Guz is too light a hitter to worry Pac a KO so Pac will be full of confidence.

Ive already said, best pac vs best Guz = Pac KO. Normal Pac vs best Guz = Guz UD. Simply put, if Pac tries to box with Guzman from a distance, I see him loosing a frustrating UD 9-3 to Guzman. If Pac that showed up to Morales shows up, I see him knocking out Guzman around the 10th round. Also comes down to guzman, if he decides to get brave throwing those wide punches vs Pac's straight lefts/rights in a brawl, hes guaranteed to kiss the canvas atleast once.

 

Not just ability mate i should have elaborated further, but effective or realised ability as in how they would use it head 2 head against the best p4p fighters in the world. I would have him inside my ten based on this, as I would also with Dawson. Both of these guys are very slick, and well rounded fighters who can effectively adapt to their opponent. Having to beat an elite fighter to get recognation IMO is a backwards way of judging p4p ability. Performance against world class opponents is a very good indication, as well as resume analysis to guage consistency, how they have matched up against different styles, and levels of experience. This is how I judge my p4p listing anyway, which is different to the norm.

 

It may surprise you, but there are fighters that Pacquiao cannot hurt. Soto didn't stun Guzman once last night. If Pacquiao doesn't hurt Guzman, he is in for a different fight than he is used to.

 

Good post, and people have totally missed the point. KG is pointing out that workrate, chin and power doesn't equal victory. He wasn't making a comparison form Guzman to Pea or Chavez to Pac AT ALL.

 

Pac is clearly not the same puncher either that he was at the lighter weights. I have no doubt Guzman will handle his power.

 

a lot of people here have a nasty habit of grossly over-rating a boxer after winning a fight. shows an over-all lack of boxing knowledge on their part. :-(

 

if he can fight like that against top level opponents then he definitely has top 3 P4P POTENTIAL.

right now, though, it's all potential.

 

SO many people under estimate timing here, and it the reason that true boxer punchers like Kostya Tszyu and Miguel Cotto can be effective against faster opponents. These are the same posters that say: Zab KO 3 Cotto. Zab is just too fast for slow Cotto ect. Very good point to bring up, and something that is all too often over looked.

 

What tunnel vision..what are you talking about??? Guzman has GREAT speed..he is elusive ..ESPECIALLY when you are slow...

Ok KG let me break this down..When you have a slick , speedy boxer like Guzman..you will be a nightmare for alot of plodding punchers out there. He will beat most of them.

But when you meet someone with the same speed ur advantage is nullified..

If he runs you think PAc will chase him?? but they will eventually trade unless they want to get booed. Guzman speed against Pac speed and power.. I take PAc..thats my analysis..

NOW if PAC hits air all night which I have never seen in his 40 or so fights..THEN Guzman wins

Now guzman is a good counter puncher..but .no power

PAC as you have seen will give 1 to get 1 especially if he cant get hurt..unlike against MAB

I tell you ill take PAC fighting forward than Joan backpedalling anyday

 

It may surprise you, but Pac has hurt every single one of his opponents so far. If I told you that someone KD MAB in the 2nd round, KO morales in 3 rounds, KD JMM 3 times in the 1st round...you would think that when this guy hits you, the natural place to be is the canvas. Soto is a solid puncher but he doesnt have anywhere near the explosiveness of Pac which is shocking to most of his opponents. Until I see someone take full flush shots from Pac without buckling, im gonna assume he will put asses on the canvas. Maybe im overrating Pac's power, but maybe your overrating Guz chin? Its just an opinion, and im gonna stick with mine

 

OK i see where your coming from but at the same time Pacman has developed also in such a way no that he doesnt get frustrated like he use to against slick guys. He bides his time and because he is a southpaw i feel it will only frustrate Guzman more because his one great stregnth, his jab wont be as effective say against a orthodox fighter.

Pacman by TKO early like he will find Guzman chin often early aswell. Just like he did against Marquez but Guzman i feel hasnt got the same sort of heart JMM has. It will be over early thats my prediction and im sticking with it.

Pacman gets alot of injustice on this board about how he has no skills but if he didnt have the skills he would lose more i feel. Plus Guzman really struggled against the only elite fighter he faced in Barrios. Pacman will cause him only more nightmares i feel.

 

I hope to GOD Valero doesnt get super KO in his next fight..

all hell will break lose:-( :rofl

 

I box so I know all about timing too well. I dont think timing is an issue here though, Pac has proved to be pretty damm accurate in his last few fights. For the record I predicted Cotto TKO Judah.

 

He beat a fading Barrera, was still out boxed at times, and won due to his obvious speed and style advantage. Since when did Barrera become the best counter puncher in the world anyway? Pac does have boxing ability, but not on the same level of Guzman IMO. Still, as stated earlier in the Aus forum, I need to see his fight vs Soto before making a prediction that I am confident in.