Guzman vs. Sta Cruz

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Guzman toys with Diaz and stops him late.

    I don't particularly like Guzman either man, but DAMN! lol give him a little credit! If Soto couldn't find him, you can be damn sure Cruz or Diaz won't. Soto would steamroll both those guys back to back.
     
  2. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Well Guzman isn't really known for his power above 122 now is he???

    And name 1 half decent fighter besides Santa Cruz and Morales that Diaz has beaten let alone stopped. Please.
     
  3. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Guzman being able to beat soto by running until he's as tired as an old horse doesn't mean he can steamroll cruz and diaz easy like soto COULD ARGUABLY do.

    and i do give guzman some credit, i said he'd win by decision, that is by running. cause if he trades, he'd get hurt.

    now about guzman stopping diaz late.. i'd give that a second-thought only if diaz is a superbantamweight which is the last division where guzman actually iced a guy. but diaz is a lightweight, and a former junior weltereight. the only two persons to ever stop him is the power-punching pacman and the junior welterweight kendall holt. sorry, but guzman doesn't stop anyone in this division. :hi:

    for sta. cruz, i think he's got better boxing skills than soto and he can use his jab to reach guzman whereas soto just chases all over looking like a stiff slow corpse.
     
  4. mexican legend

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    Soto vs. Pacquiao would be a sick ****ing fight. Too bad it aint gonna happen any time soon.
     
  5. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    he beat judah in the amateurs hahaha.

    he's beaten emmanuel augustus, a guy who gave mayweather some trouble. he Knocked down kendall holt in their fight before he would be stopped in the next round.

    and he stopped sta. cruz, a top gate-keeper at the 135 division, the same position guzman would be competing for after campbell hands him his ass haha.

    relax man, i gave him his due, i said he'd beat diaz by decision, and he'd be beaten by sta. cruz by a split decision, meaning i considered his gate-keeper slickness also.
     
  6. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Beating Judah is the amas don't mean **** hahaha

    Emmanuel Augustus is only good when he wants to be and he probably didn't wanna be to good when he fought Diaz hahaha

    Bingo Santa Cruz is a GATE KEEPER hahaha

    And even if Campbell hands Guzman his ass(which is doubtful even if Campbell wins it will be a close fight) that wont make Guzman a gate keeper hahaha Is Juan Diaz a gate keeper after Campbell beat him up?? No hahaha

    Guzman is a top 10 P4P talent and if he gets a shot at the top guys he will show it hahaha
     
  7. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Before the fraudulent guzman fandom gets crushed here at ESB on Sept. 13, lets take some time to analyze how guzman would have fared with the lightweights before he gets booted out of contention.

    my take is that out of the cream of the lightweight talents, only against the Gatti-like Katsidis and the aging casamayor has guzman a chance--A CHANCE not a certainty--of victory.

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    so guzman would not fare well against the top lightweights. maybe he'd fare better against the lower-tier opponents, namely the
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    . Remember that gate-keeper level is also the level guzman excelled in at the superfeatherweight division before he ducked Arthur and moved on to the lightweights. :deal :deal
     
  8. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    top ten p4p? in whose ranking? delusional fans? hahaha

    i didn't know gate-keepers are now in the pound for pound list.
     
  9. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    According to you........

    And Barrios is not a gate keeper. And ducked Arthur???:rofl Yeah ducked Arthur to fight Campbell.:patsch
     
  10. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    if barrios isn't a gate-keeper, then juarez is already a living legend :lol:
     
  11. huki

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    Guzman can beat and will beat every single top 135 pounder in the world if he gets the chance. Santa Cruz is an easy fight for him. The difference in size is big, but the difference in talent is even bigger. Santa Cruz would get outlanded and outfought.

    And I don't understand why you're so biased against Guzman. Are you an angry Pac fan? Hopefully you'll give him credit after he beats Campbell this Saurday.
     
  12. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    :rofl

    i'm enjoying this. i don't give a **** if guzman huggers believe that we'll eat crow come saturday night, cause i am sure campbell beats the living headlights out of that overrated ****er
     
  13. puga_ni_nana

    puga_ni_nana Dempsey Roll Full Member

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    imo, guzman will beat campbell but i think he is still so much overrated here by some people thinking that he can easily beat juan manual marquez and pacquiao.
     
  14. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    prepare to eat **** on saturday :lol: :lol:
     
  15. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    King of the Gatekeepers?:lol: