Gvozdyk Would Have Beaten Bivol

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gvozdyk is overrated. People see him as an equal to Kovalev it's funny
     
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  2. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't. I think Kovalev stops Beterbiev early. The long range 1-2 finds the mark and does the job. I see that as the most likely outcome. But if Beterbiev survives the first half then hard to see Kovalev finishing on his feet.
     
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  3. BCS8

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    ^ pay attention folks, he knows what he is talking about. Gvozdyk had a big ole punch himself and therefore more inclined to exchange with Beterbiev. Bivol is about hitting and not getting hit.
     
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  4. BCS8

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    Gvozdyk is underrated because he ran into Beterbiev who wrecked his career. If AB hadn't been around we'd be on the Gvozdyk hype train.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really think prime vs prime Bivol beats him, he showed higher iq, speed, and defense against Beterbiev he just doesn't have Gvozdyks power. Beterbiev even now is throwing 1000+ punches and hasn't slowed much
     
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  6. BCS8

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    Look I'm not saying Bivol couldn't beat him. I've always fancied Gvozdyk as a more dangerous fighter though.
     
  7. Rollin

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    Scarcely a moment in time when Beterbiev was the better boxer than Bivol, even when the scorecards were read. He could have used his blessed power to stifle and outwork Bivol (who had to work so much harder for so long with his colossal power disadvantage) late in the fight, but he never was the truly better pugilist. Just more of a force of nature. If anything, Bivol's high-guard made him look clueless even while the smaller man walked into him, smothering shots.

    That is the brutal reality of the professional ranks, and part of what makes it so compelling.

    Also saying Gvozdyk could box in a sport with so many layers and nuance to a given skillset is abhorrently reductive. He did not box as good as Bivol clearly, adjusting to the degree you think Artur was better back then (unarguably considerably fresher.)
     
  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Amateur boxing places more emphasis on clean punching and skill than pro boxing does. Pro boxing is not scored by punches landed. It's scored on a 10 point must system. And sometimes the more skilled man can justifiably lose on the cards due to taking more damage, having the fight taken to him, etc.
     
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  9. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The most eye-catching, clean shots (which he clearly threw with mean intentions and moved in as well if he suspected he smells blood) were coming from Bivol. Beterbiev was typically taking rounds on merit of being the often ineffective aggressor (though the aggressor still, and that is not to say he did not have a fair share of success as far as flush punching goes) and throwing more. Another set of judges could very well appreciate Bivol's work more and many, many people on all levels of boxing work did as well. That's the inherent dichotomy of the effective aggression and defense scoring criterion.

    Downgrading Bivol's work to appealing to an amateur system is superficial and lazy.
     
  10. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I am a firm believer that if Gvozdzyk fights Beterbiev 10 times, they both would win 5
     
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  11. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bivol has a good chin and is a bit sharper. I think he wins a 7-5 type fight. Don't really see Gvozdyk blasting him out.

    Kovalev could KO both.
     
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  12. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    He sure knows how to pick Beterbiev fights incorrectly.
     
  13. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I see you're in another one of your passive aggressive bitchy moods tonight.
     
  14. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Just a description of events.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Same.