H2H best SMW's ever

Toney - loses to Jones and most likely Nunn. Toney slipped a step at smw and Nunn did fight a stupid fight when they first met

Jones - I reckon Nunn could of beat him at smw, which is why Jones wanted nothing to do with him

Eubank loses to Collins, Nunn, Toney

Collins loses to Toney, Jones, Nunn, Graham

Calzaghe loses to Jones, Toney, Nunn, Benn

Benn loses to Jones, Toney and maybe Collins

Nunn?

 

What did they do to be ranked so high?

 

Some puzzling comments.

 

Bizarre how you know all these ins and outs as to why Jones never fought any one of 15-20 dangerous tests.

Brewer held Jones' IBF belt if I recall when Jones initially flirted with light-heavy (and always said he'd come back down to super-middle), and Charles claims Jones would not come back to try and win it back. He was calling him out, but admittedly Brewer was a small name (claim to fame in UK at the time was the fight with Herol and infamous 4-U-MOM on trunks or something similar). Tough fight. Brewer punched Herol out of the ring and battered Antwun Echols (ref should've stopped it a few times in Brewer's favour but jumped in and declared Echols a winner for f-all), who gave Hopkins total hell. Brewer also gave a truly prime Calzaghe hell.

 

The headlining Vegas thing was more a point that they were well-known to US boxing followers, well-willing to fight on US soil and able to sell in Las Vegas. Post-Jones/Toney, surely a Vegas return against Benn, Collins (huge East Coast US Irish-American following) or Nunn could've been pushed for, or a McClellan unifying middleweight match-up of course.

 

Based on ability, Watson won every round against Eubank before walking into that uppercut from hell at the end of the 11th, and McClellan punched Benn out of the ring in 30 seconds!

 

Why is it bizarre?

I'm a huge fan of Roy's.

What's bizarre, is you saying he wasn't interested in pursuing fights with Parks and Brewer.

Well why would he have been?

Again, Brewer had done nothing at MW, and he'd lost three of four fights at SMW while Roy was there. Then Roy left the division to fight at LHW. Who cares what Brewer thought about Roy? Why would he have wanted to have won his old SMW belt back when he'd relinquished it to move up to LHW? Roy was already at LHW when Brewer won the vacant belt.

Yes, I saw his fights with Herol and Joe. But a fight with Roy was never on the cards. They were in different divisions, with different aspirations. Roy unified the LHW division in the late 90's, and then signed to fight Ruiz at HW, in the same year that Brewer fought Joe in 2002.

Now tell me about these 15-20 dangerous tests.

Were the guys who Roy missed, better than the best guys who he actually fought?

 

After the Toney fight, Roy fought a few mandatories but found it hard to fight Benn and Liles.

I've read Stan Levin's comments from June 95 (after the Paz fight) where he said he wouldn't sign Roy over to Don King, because he wanted options on him. Roy has also said that Don wanted options on him for a Jackson fight at MW.

Again, in 96, both HBO and Frankie's manager had claimed that Frankie had turned down a great opportunity to fight Roy.

A McClellan unification fight was obviously pre Toney. After his one and only MW defence of the IBF, Roy moved up to fight Toney, while Gerald remained at MW until the following year.

I personally don't think that a Collins fight would have been big in the U.S. He'd lost his big fights when he was younger, and his biggest wins were against faded versions of Eubank and Benn. And I don't believe that Eubank was a big name in the U.S. and again, the WBO belt was lightly regarded back then.

But it is a shame that we never got to see the fights.

 

They all would lose to GGG


The H2H supremacy at SMW belongs to GGG when he feels like moving up

 

Jones
Ward
Toney
Joe
Kessler

 

So, there you have it........

The greatest h2h smw is a guy who hasn't fought there yet.

 

:rofl

 

I'd have liked to have seen Toney vs Kessler.

 

Who at 168 can outbox GGG? Nobody :good

 

This to me is the perfect list although I'd probably keep Kessler out of it.

I can't imagine anyone being favored against a prime Roy Jones Jr. In fact, I'd favor him against anyone at 160 (including the great Ray Robinson) or 168 lbs. LHW is another story though.

But at 160 and 168? He's a H2H matchup nightmare for everyone in the history of the sport.