H2H "era rumble" 60s-75 vs 00s-15s

I'd favor Wlad, Vitali, Fury, and Lewis over any of the 60s-70s guys, so that's a 4-0 start for the Dark Ages regardless of how they're matched up. Strategically speaking, although Ali would be a live underdog against any of them, Team Golden Age should send guys like Norton or Lyle in there against the top 4 as sacrificial lambs, and then match Ali, Foreman, Liston, Frazier, etc. against the second string Dark Agers, since those are more clearly winnable.

 

Using your breakdown:

Wlad beats Ali
Lennox beats Liston
Sanders v Frazier is interesting...have to think about it, but I might favor Frazier here. Undecided.
Tua beats Norton
Foreman beats Toney, barely
Byrd beats Lyle
Fury beats Quarry
Ellis beats Ruiz with a fair ref
Haye beats Williams
Povetkin beats Bonavena

7-3 or 8-2 Dark Ages.

 

I guess one of us missed him when I copied your list. Whoever he steps in against gets flattened.

If we are kind to Team 70s, we put Vitali in against somebody the Dark Ages already beats (Williams, swapped out for Haye?) and the overall score is unchanged. If we are cruel, he fights Jimmy Ellis.

 

My picks:

Ali UD (1-0)
Lennox TKO or KO (1-1)
Frazier TKO (2-1)
Norton UD, could very well be Tua unexpected KO (Draw, so 3-2)
Foreman brutal KO (4-2)
Byrd UD (4-3)
I don't know, **** Fury tho (4-3)
Ellis UD, Ruiz DID NOT like small men (5-3)
Most likely Haye, Cleveland Williams ABSOLUTELY has a puncher's chance and his skill ain't that too far off (5-4)
Povetkin TKO most likely (5-5 DRAW)

here's what Chatgpt (@Journeyman92 daddy) has to say

1. Wladimir Klitschko vs Muhammad Ali
Pick: Ali (Golden Era)
Ali’s speed, adaptability, chin, and footwork would be a nightmare for Wlad. Klitschko’s jab-and-grab style worked wonders against slow-footed opposition, but Ali had a phenomenal chin (took Frazier, Foreman, Shavers), an elite jab himself, and the movement to make Wlad uncomfortable. Wlad might have success early, but Ali’s ring IQ, stamina, and durability give him the edge over 12 or 15.

2. Lennox Lewis vs Sonny Liston
Pick: Lewis (Dark Ages)
Liston had great fundamentals, jab, and power, but Lewis was bigger, smarter, and more versatile. Lennox could fight tall or mix it up inside, and Emanuel Steward’s version of Lewis had the discipline to avoid being baited. Liston might find moments with his jab, but Lewis had the tools to win this over a distance or potentially stop Liston late.

3. Corrie Sanders vs Joe Frazier
Pick: Frazier (Golden Era)
Frazier’s chin was dentable, and Sanders’ fast hands and straight left could absolutely drop him early — but if Frazier survives the early storm, Sanders’ stamina fades badly. Frazier’s pressure, body work, and engine would likely grind Sanders down after 4–5 rounds. Think Foreman-Frazier-lite in reverse — risky, but edge to Joe.

4. David Tua vs Ken Norton
Pick: Tua (Dark Ages)
Norton had real trouble with punchers (Foreman, Shavers, Cooney), and Tua was a compact powerhouse with a granite chin. Norton’s cross-arm defense left him vulnerable to left hooks — Tua’s bread and butter. While Norton might outbox him for a few rounds, the likelihood of Tua breaking through with a KO shot is very high.

5. James Toney vs George Foreman (70s version)
Pick: Foreman (Golden Era)
Toney’s defense is sublime, and his countering is world-class, but Foreman’s raw strength and brutal clubbing power are a problem. Toney’s lack of movement and small stature (barely a natural heavyweight) would leave him vulnerable to being walked down and physically overwhelmed. He'd frustrate Foreman at times, but he'd be a sitting target too often.

6. Chris Byrd vs Ron Lyle
Pick: Byrd (Dark Ages)
Very close. Lyle had strength and aggression, but Byrd’s speed, elusiveness, and southpaw style gave bigger punchers headaches (e.g., Tua, Holyfield). Lyle struggled with mobile guys and had stamina issues. Byrd might get dropped early, but over 12 rounds, he could steal a decision with slick movement and clean counters.

7. Tyson Fury vs Jerry Quarry
Pick: Fury (Dark Ages)
Fury’s size, jab, movement, and adaptability are too much for Quarry. Jerry was a skilled counterpuncher with a tough chin, but he was 6 feet tall, ~200 pounds, and took lots of damage against bigger guys. Fury, at 6'9" and with elite recovery and craft, would probably keep him at bay and frustrate him to a decision.

8. Andy Ruiz vs Jimmy Ellis
Pick: Ruiz (Dark Ages)
Ellis was slick and well-schooled, but small even for his era. Ruiz’s fast hands and better chin make the difference. Ellis might outbox him early, but Ruiz has enough activity and pressure to close the gap and take control. Ruiz has also taken big punches and returned fire well. Likely a decision or late stoppage win.

9. David Haye vs Cleveland Williams
Pick: Haye (Dark Ages)
If it’s pre-shooting Williams, this is a fire fight. Williams was powerful but vulnerable. Haye was faster, more explosive, and a good counterpuncher — albeit with stamina and chin concerns. Still, Haye’s speed and timing likely see him land first. Williams could score a KO too, but Haye gets the edge in explosiveness.

10. Alexander Povetkin vs Oscar Bonavena
Pick: Povetkin (Dark Ages)
Bonavena was tough, awkward, and rough, but Povetkin had the cleaner technique, sharper combinations, and tighter guard. Oscar would maul and make it dirty, but Povetkin’s Olympic pedigree and inside fighting ability give him an edge in most exchanges. A war, but Sasha likely takes it on points or late TKO.

 

Fella can you point out where did i joke about anything in my response?

 

actual manchild :sob:

 

Ali/Wladimir = Ali by decision

Liston/Lewis = Lewis by TKO

Frazier/Sanders = Frazier by TKO

Norton/Tua = Tua by KO

Foreman/Toney = Foreman by decision

Lyle/Byrd = Byrd by decision

Fury/Quarry = Fury by decision

Ellis/Ruiz = Ellis by decision

Williams/Haye = Could go either way not sure two big punchers.

Povetkin/Bonavena = Povetkin was full of PEDs and 10 years of his results are going to be wiped so I'm not even going to comment on this.

 

Fair enough but the truth is they were all on PED's.

 

That's one of the reasons they'd beat the 70s guys, yes.