H2H GOAT in each traditional weight division

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Heavyweight:
    Light Heavyweight:
    Middleweight:
    Welterweight:
    Lightweight:
    Featherweight:
    Bantamweight:
    Flyweight:
    IMO
    Heavyweight: Lennox Lewis
    Light Heavyweight: Michael Spinks
    Middleweight: Roy Jones Jr.
    Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
    Lightweight: Floyd Mayweather Jr.
    Featherweight: Manny Pacquiao
    Bantamweight: Nonito Donaire
    Flyweight: Roman Gonzalez
     
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  2. Ney

    Ney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Full disclosure, I’m not fluent in Fly & Bantam & won’t pretend to be.

    Heavy: Joe Louis
    Light-Heavy: Gene Tunney
    Middle: Carlos Monzón
    Welter: Ray Robinson
    Light: Pernell Whitaker
    Feather: Willie Pep

    Guys like Armstrong & Langford are going to be under-represented here as they bounced around in weight, but I have both above Robinson pound-for-pound, for instance.
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    How I would try to define 'H2H goat' myself would be a mix of results over proven elite opponents + how I feel the selected fighter would deal with an entire range of varying elite H2H styles at their weight (pure boxers, brawlers etc). I'll also avoid fighters I think could be here but have too limited a range of film (e.g. Wilde, Midget Wolgast etc). Varying rulesets considered. Open to changing my choices too. Here goes nothing:

    Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali
    Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
    Middleweight: Marvin Hagler
    Welterweight: Sugar Ray Robinson
    Lightweight: Roberto Duran
    Featherweight: Henry Armstrong
    Bantamweight: Ruben Olivares
    Flyweight: Fighting Harada

    Whilst I had many names come to mind, including some posters here would consider minority choices, ultimately I ended up with a pretty generic looking list. One way I like to try evaluating great fighters in fantasy H2H match ups are 'best of threes'. For example, there are quite a few middleweights I think beat Hagler once in a series. However, I would struggle to see anyone winning two and definitely would not pick anyone to win three. I noticed that all the fighters on my list combined: high skill levels + high physicality + deep resumes over other proven H2H figures.
     
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  5. FreddieGibbs

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    Heavyweight: Muhammad Ali
    Light Heavyweight: Ezzard Charles
    Middleweight: Carlos Monzon
    Welterweight: Ray Robinson
    Lightweight: Roberto Duran
    Featherweight: Willie Pep
    Bantamweight: Naoya Inoue
    Flyweight: Roman Gonzalez
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nothing wrong with any of this really, except for lightweight, where I got Duran, and middleweight. Jones is probably about as special as it gets physically, but Jones has zero experience at anything like a level.