H2H Heavyweight King: Who comes out on top?

1 - Ali
2 - Tyson
3 - Louis
4 - Holmes
5 - Liston
6 - Bowe
7 - Johnson
8 - Lewis
9 - Foreman
10 - Frazier

 

Holmes skills were pretty damn cold. No way he doesn't make my Top 5 either.

 

Louis beats them all imo.

Ali and liston are joint second. Ali loses to louis and frazier. Liston loses to ali and louis.

After that i'm very unsure how they'd rank but if I had a gun to my head i'd say lewis, holmes and wlad are all joint 4th. Bringing up the rear are foreman, frazier and tyson with marciano holding the tenth place based on him defeating anyone his own size, most that are below 220 and anyone who's willing to trade but not on the above list i.e. Bowe, holyfield etc.

 

In a round robin Riddick Bowe in his short prime would win more than anyone else. If this is an elemition tounment It might go like this.
Going with these rankings. I don't agree with them but this is what the TS is using so for this thread, so will I
1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Mariano
5. Larry Holmes
6. Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier
10. Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston
12. Jack Dempsey
13. Harry Wills
14. Jim Jeffries
15. Sam Langford
16. Wladimir Klitschko
17. Jersey Joe Walcott
18. Ezzard Charles
19. Floyd Patterson
20. Riddick Bowe
21. Vitaly Klitschko
22. Max Schmeling
23. Ken Norton
24. Gene Tunney
25. Max Baer
First round: 24. Gene Tunney/25. Max Baer = Max Baer.
Second round (each winner is poistioned into a new seeding based on the listed order
1. Joe Louis/25. Max Baer = Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali/23. Ken Norton =Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson/22. Max Schmeling = Jack Johnson
4. Rocky Mariano/21. Vitaly Klitschko = Vitaly Klitschko
5. Larry Holmes/20. Riddick Bowe = Riddick Bowe
6. Mike Tyson/19. Floyd Patterson = Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis/18. Ezzard Charles = Lennox Lewis
8. George Foreman/17. Jersey Joe Walcott = George Foreman
9. Joe Frazier/16. Wladimir Klitschko = Wladimir Klitschko
10. Evander Holyfield/15. Sam Langford = Evander Holyfield
11. Sonny Liston/14. Jim Jeffries = Sonny Liston
12. Jack Dempsey/13. Harry Wills = Harry Wills
Third round.
Joe Louis/Harry Wills = Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali/Sonny Liston = Muhammad Ali
Louis & Ali earn a bye in the fourth round
Jack Johnson/Evander Holyfield = Jack Johnson
Vitaly Klitschko/ Wladimir Klitschko = Wladimir Klitschko
Riddick Bowe/George Foreman = Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson/Lennox Lewis = Lennox Lewis
Fourth round
Jack Johnson/Lennox Lewis = Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitschko/Riddick Bowe = Riddick Bowe
Fifth round
Joe Louis/Lennox Lewis = Joe Louis
Muhammad Ali/ Riddick Bowe = Riddick Bowe
Sixth round (The Championship)
Joe Louis/Riddick Bowe = Riddick Bowe. I want to comnvince myself that Louis the greatest heavyweight ever beats Bowe who at best is a fringe top 10 heavyweight, but Bowe is bigger and stronger. He can fight on the outside. The key for beating a smaller man like Louis. He can fight on the inside if he has too and what really sets Bowe apart from the other gaint heavyweights is that he can really take a solid punch. Louis has a chance espicialy if he can make Bowe fight inclose. However i have to go with Big Daddy over the Brown Bomber.

 

If they're allowed their prime selves for all the matches:

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson
Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Marciano
Holyfield
Dempsey
Bowe

In real time:

Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Ali
Holyfield
Tyson
Liston
Foreman
Marciano
Frazier
Dempsey
Bowe

 

A bit difficult to hammer out a precise order without rethinking and changing it again. Everybody has a different take, as its about as subjective as you can get.

I feel Liston is No. 1

The other 7 in no particular order: Ali, Tyson, Louis, Holmes, Lewis, Foreman, Bowe.

 

Monte Cox's Heavyweight Stat Chart:

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/heavyweightchart.html

 

I'm with the guys who say:

Ali, amazing unorthodox style which is hard to deal with and made even harder with his immense speed. Couple that with great boxing skills, good attrition punches, great intangibles and you have the greatest H2H HW ever in my opinion.

Louis, perhaps the most textbook fighter to ever live. Great boxing skills with his methodical stalking style, dynamite punches in both hands. Good intangibles. Main weakness is a possibility of suffering early knockouts to massive hitters. However I think this is unlikely as when focussed he was too good, and his chin gets hugely under-rated.

Liston - H2H beast, telephone pole jab literally. Great with the right hand and the left hook. Good boxing skills, good inside skills, good brawling skills. If it wasn't dancing Liston could do it. Very strong versatile fighter giving him advantages over many of his opposition.

Ali > Liston = Louis = Ali?

Tyson wouldn't do bad at all either, he would be my 4th pick. He's going to KO a lot of guys with weak chins and even has a minor chance against Louis.

Foreman could be outboxed and stopped by hard and clever hitters such as Louis. However is a nightmare for people such as Norton, Frazier, Tyson, Marciano so gains points on that front. I think I'd select Foreman at joint number 5 with...

Lennox Lewis. Great straight punches with a lot of weight behind them. Solid skillset, main weakness is again the chin however when focussed it wasn't usually a problem. Hard fighter to beat if you're a boxer due to the reach this man has.

 

Ali is the only one of the champions I'd favor.

 

In H2Hs, I'm looking at the best version. It doesn't make any sense to look at it in any other way. By the time Liston took the title, he was past his prime. Look at his rampage against the top contenders in '59-60 when he was hungry.

I don't see many beating him. Scratch that. I see one.

 

In my opinion Holmes would beat Liston.......better jab, better footwork, good chin.....
I know Shavers dropped him, and if was Liston there it would be over......but that wasn´t the best performance by Holmes......

Holmes in his best night against Liston in his best night ?......Holmes by UD.....

 

Louis?

I love him, but I'm not at all convinced he takes Marciano, Tunney, Liston, or Ali. He didn't like crowding fighters -which makes me wonder about Frazier and 1919 Dempsey too.

 

As did Tyson.