H2H Heavyweight King: Who comes out on top?

Good stuff. Why do I get the sense you're no great fan of Dundee?

Anybody had a chance to check this out yet? Or has most of the vital information been unearthed already for the most part?

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Sort of figured. Pass.

 

You have to like prime Ali here.

 

The trouble with picking fights this way is we all know Lewis is not going to win 20 times, with 4 toss up fights.


Lewis himself lost to Rhaman, and McCall, and survived close calls to Bruno and Klitschko, and only one of these guys made the list.


A better way to do it might be to give a percentage of how each fight might go, then add them all up to create a record.


Example. Lewis beats Max Baer 90 percent of the time. Or if you prefer wins 9 of 10 or losses 1 of 10.

 

That's ok. If you judge Lewis in the top 5 here, Vitali does just fine vs the rest.

 

The percentage system might be nice, but I hate 10 fight series systems, because they're very unrealistic.


What did you think of my Vitali post here, surely that interested you more? Do you think he does better or worse?

 

If I had any confidence in guessing who would do best in winning a 25-man round-robin, I'd be a very successful professional gambler.

Anyone who thinks they have the answers is bound to be wrong.

 

It would be fun to give it a try though! I'm still figuring out the winners and losers for 3 days now.

 

I think Joe Louis would have to be the safest pick, or perhaps Ali, to come out on top, but who knows ?

A man like Holyfield might actually perform better against a better class of opponent, and would cause a few surprises.
A guy like Max Baer ... maybe he has holes all over his style and can lose to nobodies, but maybe he can do a ton of damage too. Some of those "greats", maybe he knocks them into the fifth row !
Anything can happen with heavyweights.
Vitali Klitschko is 6'8 ... he's gonna be a tough one to beat for anyone, especially the guys there who are 6' or less.

 

i am a sports trader, similar to gambling, and no one goes undefeated, there will always be surprises in heavyweights. this tournament involves 300 fights so there's gonna b many upsets and close decisions.
I dont know enough about some of these guys to offer a result but i think marciano and holmes would do well in the format. Ali and louis joint fav's at start, but if we mirror actual careers ali's break at his prime hurts him.

 

I respect him, but do not count him up there with the best trainers. I especially respect his ability to sell a faulty story to legions of lemmings -selling the same one twice takes a keen insight into human nature.

I agree with McGrain. I also find it annoying that Mee would have "Ugly Bear" in the subtitle. That wasn't his damn nickname and it was insult used by Ali to belittle his opponent.

 

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That's the thing. 300 fights to decide the best man with the very unpredictable scenario of heavyweight boxing. And all of those guys will be up against some very different styles to what they actually faced in their careers.

Holmes and Marciano are good picks too. They have terrific records of consistency, and they had some tremendous determination to win in every fight.
But who knows ? For all I know, a dozen of the other guys might have the style and know-how and physical tools to beat them. And maybe that's how it would play out.

 

I think Tyson was always known to be a bit prone to frustration, even at his peak.
He was quite an emotional person, and that came through in his fighting.

That doesn't mean he was mentally weak, but he might have been less than ideally suited in his temperament against some of these guys. I think Ali would have frustrated him in the ring, not necessarily outside of it. And Tyson, as good as he was, would have run out of ideas quite quickly against Ali. That's just the way I imagine it.

 

wlad is gonna be fav in some fights, maybe v johnson? and smaller boxer types, cause many guy trouble, holmes? but will have almost no chance in some, v louis, marciano, schmelling?.