H2H Heavyweights (Mount Rushmore)

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ikrasevic, Feb 29, 2024.


Who are the top 4 H2H heavyweights?

This poll will close on Nov 30, 2088 at 10:16 PM.

  1. Mohammad Ali

  2. Lennox Lewis

  3. Larry Holmes

  4. Mike Tyson

  5. Joe Louis

  6. George Foreman

  7. Sonny Liston

  8. Evander Holyfield

  9. Vitali Klitschko

  10. Riddick Bowe

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  1. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    After counting the votes on the topic:
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/top-10-h2h-heavyweights.694750/
    coming up with a list of 10 H2H heavyweights, of which you choose 4 (four), so we can all see the results :)
    All 10 boxers offered in the list are the choice of forum members (not my choice).
    Here's how forum members voted:
    Mohammad Ali, Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes 22 votes
    Mike Tyson 21
    Joe Louis and George Foreman 18
    Sonny Liston 15
    Evander Holyfield 14
    Vitali Klitschko and Riddick Bowe 12
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    Those who will not be able to vote are Tyson Fury and Joe Frazier with 9 votes each, as well as Wladimir Klitschko with 7 (and many others).
     
    ikrasevic, Feb 29, 2024
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  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    I don't buy into the nostalgia so much, and I don't default to Mohammad Ali at number 1. I'm pretty much of the same mind as @White Bomber.
    So here is my list from the topic:
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/top-10-h2h-heavyweights.694750/
    1.Lennox Lewis
    2.Tyson Fury
    3.Muhammad Ali
    4.Riddick Bowe
    5.Vitali Klitschko
    6.George Foreman
    7.Mike Tyson
    8.Evander Holyfield
    9.Larry Holmes
    10.Wladimir Klitschko
    I also respect your opinion even though I don't think FOTC Frazier is the #1 H2H heavyweight. No one else put Frasier at #1 - I'd just respect that :)
    And finally:
     
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  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Bowe high up is a bit questionable. How many big punchers did Bowe beat? I am not saying he couldn’t beat them but how many did he go against? He never fought Lewis, Tyson, Ruddick, Mercer, Morrison, Tua etc so he is highly unproven vs big punchers.

    And how many small fast heavies did he beat? Apart from Holyfield who was willing to trade, he didn’t beat any notable fleet footed heavy. I question how Bowe would do against genuine speedy movers like Holmes and especially Ali.
     
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  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    My list:

    1. Ali
    2. Foreman
    3. Mike Tyson
    4. Liston
    5. Lewis
    6. Louis
    7. Holmes
    8. Vitali
    9. Wlad
    10. Holyfield

    Lewis’s susceptibility to a one punch ko and his relative struggles vs small skilled older boxers like Mercer and Holy prevent him from being higher.

    Louis’s susceptibility to early knockdowns and some trouble vs movers also prevents a higher spot.

    now bear in mind I am basing this on fights being 15 rounds which disadvantages heavier men due to smaller guys generally having better stamina.

    Also I am not going to have referees that allow excessive clinching. This knocks Wlad down a few spots.
     
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  5. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    IMHO Bowe will not do well in this vote.
    OK. Then please vote for Ali, Foreman, Tyson, and Liston because the Top 10 H2H Heavyweights thread is here:
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/top-10-h2h-heavyweights.694750/
     
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  6. bboyrei

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    Bowe never really proved himself as a H2H beast, Frazier is more deserving of a Top 10 spot, he can beat everyone else on the list barring Foreman and Liston.
     
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  7. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Voted
     
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  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    4. Tyson or Lewis (today I went with Tyson)
    3. Foreman
    2. Liston
    1. Ali

    Why isn't Cleveland Williams in this poll by the way?
     
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  9. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    Here's how forum members voted(Before @dmt wrote post #103):
    Mohammad Ali, Lennox Lewis and Larry Holmes 22 votes
    Mike Tyson 21
    Joe Louis and George Foreman 18
    Sonny Liston 15
    Evander Holyfield 14
    Vitali Klitschko and Riddick Bowe 12
    Those who will not be able to vote are Tyson Fury and Joe Frazier with 9 votes each, as well as Wladimir Klitschko with 7, Usyk and Dempey 4....

    Cleveland Williams was not mentioned by anyone, and the following were mentioned: Marciano, Walcott, Jeffries, Norton, Wills, Briggs, Byrd, Roy Jones Jr., Patterson, Haye, Akiwande, Douglas, Johnson and Baby Joe Mesi :)
     
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  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Cleveland Williams wouldn't cut it against a list of top 30 H2H'ers
     
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  11. KINGWILDER

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    While I do agree nostalgia often clouds our judgement (I’m guilty of this), but I can’t put Fury so high. His resume and career is somewhat overrated imo and despite his impressive size and awkwardness, he’s struggled with the likes of Wallin, Cunningham, and Ngannou who I’d hardly call premier heavyweights. I have a feeling some of the smaller more technical heavyweights, such as Ali and Holmes would give him a lot of trouble. I would back him to beat Holyfield and Wlad (prime), maybe Liston and Tyson as well. I just don’t think he’s done enough to crack my top 5.
     
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  12. mr. magoo

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    I would comprise my Rushmore of four fighters based on their importance to the sport and not necessarily just in pure greatness. It would probably look something like

    Muhammad Ali
    Joe Louis
    Jack Dempsey
    John L Sullivan
     
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  13. ikrasevic

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    1. Mohammad Ali
      28 vote(s)
      90.3%
    2. Lennox Lewis
      21 vote(s)
      67.7%
    3. George Foreman
      14 vote(s)
      45.2%
    4. Joe Louis
      13 vote(s)
      41.9%
    5. Mike Tyson
      12 vote(s)
      38.7%
    6. Sonny Liston
      11 vote(s)
      35.5%
    7. Larry Holmes
      11 vote(s)
      35.5%
    8. Vitali Klitschko
      5 vote(s)
      16.1%
    9. Riddick Bowe
      3 vote(s)
      9.7%
    10. Evander Holyfield
      3 vote(s)
      9.7%
     
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  14. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Ali
    2. Tyson
    3. Lewis
    4. Louis
     
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  15. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Our pope is the Holy Spirit Full Member

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    1. Joe Louis
      16 vote(s)
      47.1%

    2. George Foreman
      15 vote(s)
      44.1%
    Does that necessarily mean that you and most of the forum members think H2H Louis would beat Foreman?
     
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