H2H kings of the traditional 8 divisions?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by lufcrazy, Apr 2, 2012.


  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I'll see what I come up with without checking my last lists

    Hw: ali, can outpoint anyone although i'd favour frazier over him. Would never get knocked out.

    Lhw: jones, if he desired he'd potshot his way to victory against anyone

    Mw: robinson, him against lake iv is my idea me perfection in the squared circle

    Ww: robinson, at ww he's considered the best to ever lace them up by many smarter than me

    Lw: pea, one of the most complete in history

    Fw: armstrong although marquez impresses me more and more every time I see him

    Bw: jofre altho I favour harada over him.

    Flw: canto, the guy could literally do everything in the squared circle.
     
  2. Lartize

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    Everyone can get dropped.. but consitantly.. Duran's feet didn't leave the canvas much... and like I said.. this is H2H against everyone.. I think Whitaker would end up not getting the nod against SO many other ATG.. versus Duran who has a more.. judge friendly style..
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    I don't care for judge friendly styles I am quite happy deciding myself who deserves to win a fight.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    I see what Lartize is saying, but I agree with you as well luf.

    Sweet Pea getting a flash kd here and there might be pivotal if we're judging him in time machine fights against the cream of the crop though, which is what Lartize is sayin'...
     
  5. smitty78

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    Some of these suggestions are ridiculous.

    Here is the real list:

    HW: Joe Frazier

    LHW: Billy Conn

    MW: Les Darcy

    WW: Sugar Ray Robinson

    LW: Roberto Duran

    FW: Jeff Fenech

    BW: Jeff Fenech

    FlW: Fighting Harada
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    How do you envision frazier against foreman going?

    Which lhw fights convinced you conn was the dogs bollox?

    Darcy looks great but not as much as robinson does.

    Duran is a good shout, I just think pea does him.

    Fenech is a ridiculous shout imo.

    Harada might just physically overwhelm any flyweight in history but jofre came very close to successfully timing him, canto is that bit quicker than jofre and should manage it.
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Darcy is shockingly overrated IMO.

    Fenech is not a ridiculous shout at all luf.
     
  8. smitty78

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    Prime Frazier was beats everyone in history H2H an absolute ****ing beast. He stops Foreman around the 8th like Ali.

    Conn was a beast wherever he fought and LHW was his best division. In his career he beat great fighters such as: Vince Dundee, Fritzie Zivic, Babe Risko, Teddy Yarosz, Young Corbett III, Tony Zale, Fred Apostoli, Melio Bettina, Solly Krieger and that great performance against prime Joe Louis when outweighed by 30 pounds. Who else could have fought Louis like that with so much success and a weight disadvantage like that. Billy Conn was one of a kind the like we will never see again.

    Darcy was better than Robinson at middle and didnt consistently lose there. This is one fight I would bet everything I got on Darcy.

    Duran speaks for himself. Sweet Pea don't have the power to keep him off for 15 rounds.

    Fenech is a mini Frazier. See above.

    Flyweights a tricky one and there's a few answers I'd be happy with here. Harada just a great all around fighter.
     
  9. kingfisher3

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    for fw i take saddler

    for lw there is no answer imo in a 5 man round robin you would not get a clear winner

    mw whoever wins monzon v hagler (no tape = no greb)
     
  10. Flea Man

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    Marcel for feather.
     
  11. smitty78

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    Darcy is considered overated by some because he died so young. Yet if I remember correctly he had 96 fights when he died and a stacked resume better than 90% of fighters have that fight till 40. Why don't people rate Salvador Sanchez the same. Just stupid bias towards certain fighters. Also Harry Greb was a year older than Darcy and in 1917 he hadn't achieved a tenth of what Les Darcy achieved. A truly great phenomenom who would have improved so much more over the next 10 years, the likes we will never see again.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    I rate Darcy over what he actualy did. Some good contenders, nothing more. Looks very good but not mind blowing on film.

    Fact is he didn't do what Greb did, so doesn't deserve to be rated over him. Wasted potential is just that.
     
  13. smitty78

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    Well this is head to head and Darcy was all wrong for Greb I guarantee u. Darcy beat a whole heap of great fighters not just good contenders. If Harry tried to get Dirty with Les he would cop it back twice as much. This is a poor Aussie we talking about they love that ****. Also whatever Greb can land with his quick, multiple slaps won't be enough to keep Les off. Darcy grinds him down with his superior speed, power and technical skill.

    Darcy KO 14 Greb.
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    Darcy was a good, borderline great mw. He never got his defining fight however.

    It is. Fenech was good but not good enough to be considered the best fighter between bw and fw. I think marquez schools him at fw to begin with. There's quite a few i'd favour such as alexis, pep, marcel and others.
     
  15. smitty78

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