H2H Usyk beats Wlad...but Vitali is a 50-50 fight

Not sure Povetkin was winning but it felt competitive for the first 6 rounds.

But it doesn't matter that much because AJ got the finish in round 7 and it was a dominating finish.

 

He was top 10 for 4 years after Wlad lost the title and he just kept going down and down.

Chisora had some of his best performances in years.

He doesn't need to, Wlad barely even lost a round to these guys.

He was out-landed in every round before getting flatlined.

No he'd get sparked to the stars by AJ and bullied by Fury.

Maybe. Most likely he loses.

No he'd get stopped.

Chagaev and Ibragimov are the equivalent of guys like Parker, Dubois, Kabayel etc in this era and they aren't better than those.

This is not a fair comparison either.

 

Because he was much younger with superior reflexes and physical stats. He was already 38 against Kubrat Pulev and looked past it against Jennings

Despite having more brain damage, worse stamina, worse reflexes, worse durability, slower hands, diminished athleticism. Chisora was always a gatekeeper and this era still can't filter him out the top 10. Povetkin also looked like an old man and almost got KO'd by Price, still made those rounds close. Prime Povetkin knocks aj out

Based on what

Based on what

Fury didn't fight any of those guys, joshua got smoked by one of them. Dubois has a much worse chin than Peter too. I think Peter knocks aj out. Wlad hit harder than joshua, had better skills at range and still went life and death

 

Foreman couldn't KO guys like Stewart, Morrison, Schulz or Crawford f*ckin' Grimsley but would KO eerybody in this era? LOL. That's some hard level of copium on your side.

No they didn't. You're just making things up. And no he wouldn't. Your Joshua hate is priceless, never change man.

 

Nice cherrypicking. Foreman was ancient in the 90s which was more stacked than today, prime Foreman was an atg talent unlike Pulev and Chisora

Go and check if you think I'm lying. Those rounds against an ancient Povetkin were close however you want to slice it. Prime Povetkin would massacre joshua.

 

Well, yes, that's the point. Foreman was ancient in the 90's and still managed to win the title, so the 90's weren't that strong to begin with if the guy who goes life and death with Alex Stewart and was being outboxed by Axel Schulz was a top dog for a while.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

Does Foreman winning a title as an old man make the 90s look worse of him look better ? Considering he lost to Tommy Morrison and struggled with Savarese, Stewart and Schulz it's probably the latter.

prime Foreman is superior to the likes of Pulev, Chisora and Povetkin so we can extrapolate as such

 

Pulev fight was among Wladimir's most destructive performances despite his age. Jennings was a good fighter as well.

No idea what you are talking about, Chisora's top 10 ranking was extremely inconsistent even in his prime and some organizations don't rank him at all. Chisora is what he always was, he gatekeeps against guys like a shot Joyce and gets beaten by anyone rank-worthy, nothing has changed since his prime. He is physically declined but at the same time he seems more composed and skilled in the ring.

Doesn't make your claim of him outboxing AJ any less incorrect.

AJ chins any version of Povetkin.

Him taking one good punch from Wlad and running around the ring the whole time without being able to get past his jab.

Based on AJ not being a lard of fat that can barely move around the ring. Ike Hypeabuchi stopped Byrd.

I thought we were comparing the strength of eras, what does this have anything to do with anything?

How? Have you seen Peter's best wins before?

He didn't go life and death at all, Peter took the beating of a lifetime and scored flash knockdowns that didn't even hurt Wlad. Then he got mopped in the rematch. His chin made it seem closer than it was.

 

Because Pulev stood straight up with no head movement taking all his shots. Pulev actually outjabbed Wladimir beforehand and rocked him

The way you're describing Chisora makes Parker look worse he arguably robbed him in their first fight. Chisora was 37 and does nothing better besides fighting off the ropes. He's not more skilled than before and his stamina is in the toilet

Wallin was ranked by sanctioned bodies. Their rankings not mine

Because he struggled with a 40 year old version and got rocked ? Let's see what joshua looks like at 40. Over half of ajs best wins are over the hill. The first time he fought a prime puncher he got wasted. His 4 losses are to prime fighters and half his wins are to past it fighters it's not a coincidence

Prime Wlad hits harder than aj, far superior at long range, better footwork. No relevance.

Undefeated Ibeabuchi ? He beats joshua too. Does a better job than Ruiz and Dubois after taking all of ajs shots and walks him down

I wouldn't even agree on that end. Tony Thompson would play with Joyce. Peter would KO Dubois and Wilder who has atrocious fundamentals. Beating a lineup like Ibragimov, Chagaev, Pulev and Haye would be greater than beating Parker and Zhang. Old Rahman is better than old Chisora. Byrd, Brewster and Chambers are collectively better than Joyce and Ortiz.

 

Usyk beats both but style wise Usyk would have an easier night with Vitali.

 

I dont agree that its implied Usyk beats Wlad or Vitali. Toss-up fights for me

 

....And? None of this changes my point of an old Wlad having a top performance in his career.

He picks and times his punches better as well. He is not a shot fighter, just a past-prime one, he's physically declined but better in some ways and against low-level opposition. Desperate attempt to bring up Parker as well, he's also having a career resurgance.

When they fought Wallin was ranked #12 by IBF, #11 by WBO, #13 by WBC and unranked by WBA and The Ring.

Yeah, some struggle it was, out-landing the guy every round and brutally flatlining him in 7.

Why? We have seen Povetkin at AJ's age anyway, he's not winning.

You can say that about %95 of HWs.

Whyte was hardly feather-fisted.

He lost to Usyk, Ruiz (beat him 12-0 him in the rematch) and Dubois. Half of Lennox Lewis' wins are also to past-it fighters, this is not anything ground-breaking.

Plenty relevance, AJ is very close to Wlad in power and unlike Wlad he can throw combinations and finish people as well. Wlad kept the distance and just outboxed Haye, AJ would have stalked him down behind the jab and put him out with an uppercut. Or Haye would run around and lose a decision.

Hypeabuchi went to war with David Tua buddy, he can't even tie AJ's shoes let alone beat him. Ruiz and Dubois also beat him AND Tua as well.

No he'd get TKO'd.

He'd get slept by both.

No it isn't. Ibragimov, Chagaev and Haye are barely even HWs size-wise.

Maybe.

No they aren't. So far all the names you've spewed out are either undersized HWs with skill or big brawlers. This era has big HWs that can actually box a bit.

 

Against a featherfist who can't move their head.

Oh but Joyce is shot right ?

His timing is worse. His stamina is worse. His reflexes are diminished. His head movement and punches are slower, he doesn't counter punch as often and he telegraphs his shots more. Chisora just throws bombs, he doesn't pick his shots better, it just seems that way because he doesn't have as great of an engine

Povetkin was twice as accurate, he was a better fighter in his prime, joshua just got a weaker 40 year old version

Aj was 34 against Dubois and a huge favorite after dominating Wallin. Nobody was calling him diminished until Dubois smoked him and then the excuses were flying. Joshuas low guard against Dubois was no different from his low guard against Pulev

Povetkin was 39 against aj and already looked old against Price

List the ages of the opposition and let's see how comparable they really are

Wladimir has superior footwork, better at creating space, superior iq, actually uses feints, always had better accuracy, a way harder left hook, sets up the right hand behind a more variable lead hand, stopped a prime Pulev quicker.

Haye will take advantage of ajs more textbook approach, because aj tries to be a jack of all trades, but a master at none of them. joshuas jab would be short and less effective compared to Klitschko who outjabbed aj at 41. He is more predictable and he needs to set his feet when throwing combinations while Haye will be moving more than Parker did, getting off his shots would open him up to counters and Chisora is physically stronger than joshua.

Did you just say Dubois and Ruiz would beat Ibeabuchi and Tua . Ruiz struggled with 40 year old Arreola. Tua and Ibeabuchi annihilate him and Dubois

Joshua isn't built for war.

Took dozens from prime Wlad and dropped him 3 times. He bullies Wilder, Dubois quits after he can't KO Peter and gets hit by one of his clubbing shots

They are modern day heavyweights, this era is just full of slow behemoths like Bakole. How many quality cruiserweights have these SHWs even beaten btw,

Rahmans resume craps on Chisoras, so a resounding yes. I can go further. Rahmans wins over Corrie Sanders and Lennox Lewis are better than Furys whole resume

 

Is there any great fighter you would give AJ any decent chance of beating?

 

He beats none of the all time greats post Marciano.

The reality people want to ignore is that Dubois is a more naturally talented Super heavyweight than Anthony Joshua, it's the truth no matter how bad Dubois career pans out past this point.

Dubois has quit 3 times now and but still managed to blast joshua out and jab his head off. Dubois was hurt bad in the 5th but he displayed the superior iq and won by KO a mere 10 seconds later.