Had a ggg vs middleweight hall of famers thread a few months ago

Jermain = fast and athletic. Hopkins one weakness consistently through his career
Golovkin = slow feet, slow hands, can be countered.

The Hopkins that decimated Tito would've had a field day with Golovkin, I said that
before this fight, this fight only proves it. Roy would've stopped Golovkin. Golovkin
is the type of guy Toney would tee off on. Calzaghe would've drowned him
in volume.

 

You seriously underestimate GGG's skill. You are obviously biased.

If JT could beat Hopkins, so could GGG. JT was a simple fighter.

 

No I'm not, I know what my eyes have seen by watching numerous
Golovkin fights. Jermain stylistically is all wrong for Bernard, as was
Roy, Calzaghe, Dawson and Kovalev. They all share similar things.
All athletic with quick feet. This is Bernard's weakness.
Bernard doesn't lose to people with slow feet. Bernard maneuvers
people with slow feet into angled counter shots.

Try again kiddo

 

I keep seeing this repeated, but it isn't true. What fast guy gave him trouble in his prime? Four rounds against Robert Allen, from an incomplete fight, doesn't really support that. For all we know Hopkins was adapting and would have handled him comfortably, like he did in the immediate rematch. Taylor wasn't that fast, but he was more athletic than a 40 year old Hopkins. Hopkins was no longer in his prime though, and could no longer fight a solid 12 rounds while making 160. A Hopkins a year or two younger stops Taylor late. Some of you repeat things said by silly HBO commentators, or other people on web forums, without knowing whether it is even true. Sure a green Hops had trouble with Jones Jr, who wouldn't? And sure an old Unathletic 40+ Hopkins had some issue with young, quicker boxers. He didn't have those issues in his prime though, so don't act like it was an issue his whole career.

 

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. I literally named 5 people who Bernard had problems with.
Hopkins speed was comparable at a young age and older age as was his foot work. The main difference was his
stalking. I know these things because I watched young and old Bernard. Hopkins had trouble with people that were athletic and quick. The fact that you say Jermain wasn't fast is ridiculous, his quick hands and feet were one of the
things he was touted for. The proof is in the fact of the fights Bernard had struggles in, you can't refute that.
I do also believe Bernard would've stopped Jermain if he were younger, but he would've had the same struggles
due to the style. Every single fighter Bernard had problems with as an older man he would've had the same
problems with when he was younger. I don't parrot commentators or on anyone on here, as I'm quite confident in my ability to discern the skillset of a fighter. Try again kiddo.

 

Apples and Oranges. Just because Bernard had trouble with quick guys doesn't mean that he wouldn't have trouble with someone with a different, unique skill set.

Try again kiddo...

 

But..........he never had trouble against that "unique skill set"

 

Reading comprehension. My point was that he didn't struggle with speed in his prime. You discuss instances that happened outside of that time frame. Taylor was not fast. He was above avg in speed but not fast. Check Taylors fight with Spinks if you don't know the difference, 'kiddo"

 

More than a "snowball's chance" against some of them. You can argue "head to head" discussion for fighters winning who aren't near as great as other theoretical fighters they'd be facing.

 

Spinks was a WW speedster, of course he's faster than Jermain at MW, it's no
comparison. Spinks was faster than Floyd. That literally
proved nothing. Why even bring that up.

And again, Look at Bernard's losses with the exception of Joe Smith. What
is the common denominator? Above average speed of hand and foot with
everyone who beat him. Between Roy and Jermain, Bernard fought no one
notable for speed, at all.

As for before and after prime physical prime, I can only use what he fought and when he fought.
But the telling thing is, old Bernard, other than the guys named, he was always the faster guy in
the ring. Younger Bernard, other than Roy, he was the faster guy in the ring.

Again, common denominator.

 

So who was it that has his unique skill set?

Note the word "unique" genius.

 

Lol at him saying that Jermain Taylor was "fast"

 

WOW ! that is one helluva list. Gstring is dangerous but also limited skills but has a punchers chance. but that list laid out a few guys themselves. I give gstring a hard packed cryo frozen snowball chance in hell. I would bet though anyone on that list schools dat boy.

 

I don't think Golovkin would win a round vs Calzaghe, nightmare matchup for him.

 

He lost rounds vs. ancient Bhop and RJJ by knockdown no less. No reason GGG can't put the hurt on him.