Had Ike not gone to prison...

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Muchmoore, Jul 25, 2008.


  1. Muchmoore

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    How do you see him doing? He only had two fights against elite fighters, but one was against a fighter with ATG power and an ATG chin who he beat in a slugfest, and the other was a slick boxer who excelled at beating big HWs who he knocked out in 5. How does Ike do against,

    Lennox Lewis

    Vitali Klitschko

    Wladimir Klitschko

    Evander Holyfield

    John Ruiz

    Hasim Rahman

    These are the top fighters of the time period who Ike would be fighting. Those people who say Ike wasn't anything special have something against him. I'd make him the easy favorite over pretty much everyone above except Lewis and maybe Vitali, the man simply had such a freakish workrate, and stamina which combined with his super durability, and power made him one of the big what ifs in boxing history. Tua had the perfect style to defeat Ike, a fighter whose workrate himself is impressive, has an undentable chin that won't be stopped, has the power to hurt Ike, and the staying power to hit hard from start to finish. And Ike still fought an even fight with him which I thought he won.
     
  2. Guido

    Guido ESB Addict Full Member

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    Lennox Lewis -- Good scrap, but I think Lewis would start outboxing Ike in the mid-rounds and cruise to a UD.

    Vitali Klitschko -- Somebody's getting knocked out here. My gut says Klitschko would beat him to the punch and eventually stop him. Far from confident on this one though.

    Wladimir Klitschko -- Ike all the way. KO3, maybe 4.

    Evander Holyfield -- WAR. Holyfield TKO11 or 12.

    John Ruiz -- Ike all the way again. KO6.

    Hasim Rahman -- Ike would destroy Rahman. Their styles are somewhat similar, but Ike does everything way better, and had a much better chin.
     
  3. Muchmoore

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    Keep in mind the Holyfield Ike would of fought would of been the one that split his 3 fight series with John Ruiz, not the Holyfield that fought Bowe and Tyson.
     
  4. Guido

    Guido ESB Addict Full Member

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    Fair enough. Even the Holyfield that lost to Lewis couldn't really keep up with Ike I think.
     
  5. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ike was a force of nature, the only man who went toe to toe with David Tua for 12 rounds and came out the winner, and also the first fighter to beat a prime Chris Byrd. I think he could have beaten any of the top guys around today, and I'd give him a 50/50 chance against Lennox Lewis, and I'm a Lennox Lewis fan. That guy was a beast, the complete package.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    I'm a big Ibeabuchi fan, but i don't think Tua had the perfect style to defeat Ike. We'll never know for sure, but i think the Nigerian is best against someone who doesn't use footwork to stay away and/or work on the outside. I think Lewis would frustrate him and stay away from him, keeping him at the end of his jab. I think that would be the worst matchup for him, stylistically. I thought Tua edged the fight by a single point by the way, but it was close and could've gone either way.

    The way Ibeabuchi fought Tua however, did play entirely in Tua's hands and in that sense i agree that it was one of the worst stylistical fights for Ike (only a few men in history could fight Tua like that and go the distance, let alone win). It was his own choice to fight like that, though, and i think he'd be out of his comfort zone if he has to chase someone taller and rangier around.


    As for the matchups,

    Lennox Lewis - wins a UD

    Vitali Klitschko - could go either way

    Wladimir Klitschko - unless Ibeabuchi's chin is ruined without us knowing it (Byrd isn't the one to expose it either), Klitschko has no chance in 1999/2000. Ibeabuchi by KO within 5.

    Evander Holyfield - Ibeabuchi outworks Holyfield and may be troubled by the old man's defence early on, but will get through more and more as Holyfield tires and takes a 9-3 UD.

    John Ruiz - Ruiz's holding will negate most of Ike's infighting skill, but Ibeabuchi would still do enough in between the holding to win a decision or perhaps a knockout.



    Bottomline is that Ibeabuchi is a ****ing monster. I think the fact that he never fought a range, footwork based fighter like Lewis hides some flaws for him, but man, i can hardly think of anyone looking more impressive than he did against Tua and Byrd. The workrate, the handspeed, the willingness of combat, the power, the handspeed, the durability. He was built wide as a house. At 6'2" he could carry 240lbs and still look ripped with cannonballs for shoulders. When i hear Sonny Liston being described, this guy is how i picture that what i read.
     
  7. Muchmoore

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    I'd make Ibeabuchi the favorite over Vitali. Vitali had height but Ike had the advantage in chin, power, stamina, and workrate. Chances are Vitali wouldn't be able to KO Ike because after all Tua hits harder than Vitali and couldn't even drop him after landing bomb after bomb, and the same can't be said about Vitali. A fat slow Lewis had Vitali on ***** street and Ike was a more deadly puncher than that Lewis, clearly.
     
  8. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lewis wouldve whooped him.
     
  9. Muchmoore

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    Ike was the most built and intimidating fighter of all time in my view. The size of him was freakish, I never could understand how he only weighed 235-240 he looked even bigger than that, and than to be able to fight throwing 85 punches a round for 12, he was simply a freak of nature.
     
  10. punchy

    punchy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lewis and VK defeat him, Lewis clearly and Vk in a close fight. Ike knocks the rest out before five rounds. But then again he is a true nut case so who can really tell what would happen.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    He's still trying to get over Lewis using Tyson's face for a speedball ;)

    Therapy can only go so far.
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I have watched the Tua bout many times and happen to feel Tua edged him ... that being said, Tua was never the sam. He never got into the same condition and never fought with the same conviction.

    I think Ike may have been a great heavyweight but he blew it ... who knows how he would have done. We did not see him against anyone but Tua and Byrd .. it is a shame, a waste and right up there with Ayala on wasted talent.
     
  13. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Agreed. One of those exceptions that only come along once in a lifetime..


    Although i'd have to add that he might appear taller than he is because his most famous fights were against fighters of 5'10 and 6'0. But he is one scary mother****er. I read that they needed 5 cops to restrain him after using pepper spray.
     
  14. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't drink the Ike koolaid. I saw him a lot when is was up and coming and saw him train as well. He was very good, but crazy overrated. Byrd was beating him before he was decapitated and I had Tua winning by two rounds. But Ike was very limited and vanilla in a lot of his other fights that many haven't seen.
     
  15. TIGEREDGE

    TIGEREDGE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In an interview in 2000, frank maloney (lennoxs then manager) admitted that lennox will not go near Ike until the money is great. he said that he and lenox handlers really feared ike

    I have no doubt that Ike would of beat everyone bar Lennox Lewis