Haglar vs Ray Robinson

I'm in my 70s, br, and I saw Robinson train and fight live at the height of his career. I think your friend's right, Sugar vs. Hagler would've been a helluva fight...though Robby was at his peak as a welter -- what a peak it was!

 

what a fight but i think robinson would take this one

 

SRR was at his peak at 147 where as hagler was always a mwt & thats were this match must take place.

I think hagler may very well have been the better mwt champion (I class 12 straight defences more than winning & losing the crown 5 times as being more consistent) however this is a 1 on 1 match-up both at there mwt peaks.

The hagler who beat hearns in 3 rds
vs
The robinson who beat lamotta in 13 rds

:happy :thumbsup :yep

thats the **** Im tokin about.

Got to go for robinson on a ud or 14/15 rd tko, no mwt beats that version of ray robinson, not even the man possesed who tore through hearns, robinson all the way.

 

Yeah Robinson's the go at his absolute best at 160. Too much handspeed and has the stamina and chin to see 15 rounds comfortably, even vs Hagler. Speed is his big asset in this one, and he had plenty.

 

I think Hagler would always have a problem with ultra fast box and move type boxers and SRR does this as well as anyone. SRR would get his shots off first and get out having Hagler following him round the ring. Hagler can not outbox SRR

Even if Hagler could some how make it into a brawl SRR was an excellent brawler, who'd land his power shots quicker in combination.

Who hit harder? I think this is up for debate, SRR certainly had more accuracy. Both had great chins so I can't see a KO for either fighter

The only people who are going to pick Hagler will be downgrading SRR from his post-prime second career

SRR wins a UD 10 rounds to 5 or wider

 

That would be possibly the greatest fight ever! Two of the Greatest Middleweights ever to set foot in a boxing ring; I'd pay any amount to see that fight. The Hagler from the Sibson fight using the gameplan from the Hearns fight against the Robinson from the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, would be a seesaw, down to the wire epic battle. It's a toss up as to who wins, it's the only fight I can't pick a winner in.

 

Probably the only fighter in the history of the sport who could beat Hagler in his prime over 15. Myabe. What do I know. It would be a fight for the ages.

 

Hagler is the one guy that i thinkj could of beat sugar ray at his best. he had the chin, awkward double stance and very good punch

 

I speculate that Hagler would handle Monzon easier than Robinson, but that Hagler is the odds-on favorite in a battle of MW champs.

"The Ambidextrous, Iron-Chinned, Iron-Willed Workman vs. The Savant Par Excellence"

JT is right about the speed factor... but Hagler handled speed better in the 70s than he did in the mid-80s. Hagler was a solid technician in there -even if he wasn't that imaginative at times. Technically, he was probably a bit better schooled than Robinson who relied on athleticism a bit more. Hagler was also considerably stronger... and he's taking the shots and he's not going down. I have little doubt on that.

Hagler could cut the ring off, bang the body well, and --here is the clincher for me--- he was confusing. Shades of the awkward Turpin. That ambidexterity would allow Hagler to land a bit more than expected and I think that Robinson's legs would feel a bit too leaden after 11 rounds of heavy Hagler fists pounding on his ribs and arms and hips all night.

I'm not certain ... because Robinson was sublime even in '51 as a MW. Nevertheless Hagler SD.

 

What speedsters did Hagler outbox in the 70's?

 

Cant tell this 1 for sure but i think a key factor would b hagler's switch hitting. Robbie was very adaptive but sometimes could show trouble with awkward styles like turpin. Still i think if Robinson fights his fight perfectly he will be able to defeat hagler. But hagler's not getting stopped, no chance in hell.

 

From what i have been told Mike Colbert was handly outboxing Hagler before gassing

 

There have been quite a few fights in which robinson didnt look so good.