Il like your post,its succint and to the point ,but gets to the basics,I lean towards ray,but good judges like Mickey Duff, a very shrewd matchmaker pull for Hagler,I may be wrong but I think the "sugar man" would pull out a decision.
Had you seen SRR live at welter, b88, all those tepid performances would have been forgotten. He was a cold-blooded hit man in silk. All of his smiles, gifts to the cancer fund and modest replies in the press masked a stone killer...and I knew him as well as a kid could; he gave me boxing tips.
I gotta be honest, i love hearing you talk of Robinson, especially considering you watched the man live. Mate i'd really appreciate it if you could throw forward some random thoughts and comments on him and his abilities and fights. As many as you like if you cane sometime find the time. Your experiences should not go untold. We are likely talking about the greatest fighter to ever lace on a glove.
If the unskilled La Motta could trouble Ray with pressure, I have no doubt that a prime Hagler takes him out with ease.
I never get into mythical match-ups, Ac -- too futile; the best argument means nothing. Nobody gets the satisfaction of proving a point. If they were really to fight, I'd give you chapter-n'-verse, and we'd all sit back and see how it played out. The best I can do is say I'd pay top-dollar to be ringside.
If a shot version of Ray Leonard could outbox Hagler, then I am sure Ray Robinson would take him out with ease It works both ways ****** :good
In his prime,Hagler trained at the tip of Cape Cod in Provincetown like Marciano did in the 1950's. Isolated...away from the crowd...he focused on his next opponent.....great fighter!! Being from Massachusetts Rocky and Marvin are icons..I'll go with Hagler in this one...ever so slightly!!
Watts and Monroe were slick fighters with good speed. He avenged both losses with ease, although I suspect that Watts stellar performace in the first fight was used by Leonard -angles, clinches, popping punches to disrupt rythym. Also, I am not so sure that Leonard beat Hagler even primarily due to speed. That fight is used far to liberally as demonstrable of Hagler's stylistic weaknesses.