Hagler-Benetiz (the fight that never was)

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ray didn`t land much for a large part of his bout v Benitez and said he found him very hard to hit, Wilfredo`s fight with Hearns was a master chess match.
     
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    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :thinking:
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Benitez started to party a lot and stopped training, he now has severe brain damage.
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vito Anterfermo ,Bobby Watts, Willie Monroe , Roberto Duran, and finally Ray Leonard all showed Hagler could be outmanueverd. Think about Hagler's best wins. They all were aggressive fighters, and Hagler pretty much destroyed them. But when he was forced to initiate, ( With the exception Hearns) he sometimes became complacent. Now I don't personally believe Benitez would defeat Hagler but I also thought Hagler would brutalize both Duran and Leonard. But how did that work out? Benitez if in top shape and ready too fight would give Hagler a very underrated puzzle to solve. Hagler sqeaks by with a close but unanimous dec because Benitez wouldn't be able to sustain an offensive output, especially the 2and half of the fight .
     
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  5. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Benitez of 81/82 would be a tough defense for Hagler, certainly the toughest he'd have had up to that point.

    Hagler would be in there with a guy who he was stronger than but was quicker than him. If Hagler started aggressively he might be able to overwhelm Benitez but it's also quite possible Benitez would make him miss and counter him. That would force a rethink from Hagler. He didn't have the reach or speed advantages of Hearns or Leonard. His best weapon (apart from his obvious punching power) would be to outmuscle Benitez and try and make it an inside fight, taking away some of Benitez's speed and mobility. That would wear Benitez down enough for him to start landing more often to secure a points win or maybe force a late rounds stoppage.

    If the fight took place in 1983/84 when it was proposed (had Benitez got past Hamsho) I think it would have been a short night's work for Hagler as Benitez was done.
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

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    Marvelous Marvin Hagler, an all time great would find himself in a fight against the Wilfred Benitez, that stopped Maurice Hope, on May 23 1981, in round 12 for the WBC World Jr Middleweight title. Hope, also a southpaw gave a good account of himself. Hope kayoed future Middleweight Champion. Vito Antuofermo, in round 15, on Oct 1 1976, in a EBU Jr Middleweight title fight. Hagler would come out firing that stiff right jab, only to be countered by El Radar, as he slides along the ropes. The quickness of Wilfred is taking the wind out of Hagler's sails. Hagler who has had trouble with counter punchers in the past begins to cut off the ring on Wilfred, who has excellent head movement and concentration. A perfectly timed left hook spills Benitez to the canvas in round 9. Benitez arises, begins to move against southpaw Marvelous, staying out of range, tagging Marvin with brisk counters. Hagler comes out aggressive than ever, after being told by his corner, the Petronelli's, that he is behind. Hagler is winded as he comes out for round 15, ready to go to war. Both fighters connect on the other, staggering one another. The bout is awarded to Wilfred Benitez, by a majority decision. The Marvelous one congratulates the victor, but says, I Had Another One Stolen From Me Tonight. Benitez and his father, Gregorio offer their congratulations.
     
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  7. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    His speed and skill would make it interesting but Hagler would take him out late .Probably ruining Benitez as a world class fighter.
     
  8. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do not believe he ever didnt have damage. I think he was autistic and no one knew. Should never have been allowed to fight.
     
  9. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If the fight happened in 1982 after Benitez schooled Duran and before Hearns outboxed Benitez, I am pretty confident Benitez would last the distance with Hagler. I think Hagler would be far too strong, though, and would win a clear cut UD. The Benitez that fought Hamsho in 1983 wold be stopped.
     
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    The loss to Leonard wasn't lopsided. The two chess masters fought an interesting fight. Leonard was ahead when the bogus stoppage occurred, but Benitez won a handful of rounds. Going 15 with prime 154 lb. Hearns was actually quite an achievement. By the time of the Hamsho loss, Benitez was jaded. And Hamsho was just naturally much stronger.
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    Hagler probably would beat him down in the second half of the fight and get a tko.
     
  12. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. I think the Benitez who fought Duran and Hearns would last with Hagler and could maybe beat him. Hagler had trouble with speed and that is what Benitez had. The only question I have is was middleweight too high for Wilfred. His best weight oddly enough was 154, yet 160 seemed to be too high for him. That small difference made a big difference to him. What a bad choice fighting Hamsho was. He was too unorthodox and too strong at that point. It was all wrong.
     
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  13. The Morlocks

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    Wilfred should weigh 152or 4.
     
  14. christpuncher

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    In terms of styles it would be somewhat similar to Benitez v Duran.
    But, Benitez was naturally bigger ( and fighting at a weight closer to his best), taller, longer reach, and generally a tough style match up for Duran.
    Here, apart from being roughly the same height and if Benitez was as motivated as he was for Duran, Hagler has all the physical advantages. Hagler is fighting at his natural weight, has a longer reach, and is much stronger.
    Benitez might frustrate Hagler early, but he has absolutely no chance of tying him up or bossing him like he could with Duran. Hagler's switching might bother Benitez and every punch landed would hurt.
    Hagler just keeps moving forward and grinds down Benitez.
    Hagler KO or Benitez career ending UD battering.
     
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  15. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Full Member

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    I cant see Marvin losing here unless he does it to himself like he did against Leonard. Benitez wouldnt get in Haglers head the way Leonard did though. Hagler UD
     
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