Hagler-Leonard OFFICIAL round-by-round scorecards

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  1. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    No, not another attempt to try and settle the neverending debate over who won.

    But does anyone have the official round-by-round scorecards of Dave Moretti, Lou Filippo and JoJo Guerra?

    Just wanted to cross-reference which rounds the judges were unanimous on.

    Thanks.
     
  2. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Found 'em.

    HAGLER-LEONARD - OFFICIAL ROUND-BY-ROUND SCORECARDS

    JUDGE DAVE MORETTI:
    R1 9-10
    R2 9-10
    R3 9-10
    R4 9-10
    R5 10-9
    R6 9-10
    R7 10-9
    R8 10-9
    R9 10-9
    R10 9-10
    R11 9-10
    R12 10-9
    HAGLER 113-115 LEONARD

    JUDGE LOU FILLIPPO:
    R1 9-10
    R2 9-10
    R3 10-9
    R4 10-9
    R5 10-9
    R6 9-10
    R7 10-9
    R8 10-9
    R9 10-9
    R10 10-9
    R11 9-10
    R12 9-10
    HAGLER 115-113 LEONARD

    JUDGE JOJO GUERRA:
    R1 9-10
    R2 9-10
    R3 9-10
    R4 9-10
    R5 10-9
    R6 9-10
    R7 9-10
    R8 9-10
    R9 9-10
    R10 9-10
    R11 9-10
    R12 10-9
    HAGLER 110-118 LEONARD
     
  3. 88Chris05

    88Chris05 Active Member Full Member

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    Guerra's card was an abomination. The great irony, of course, was that Guerra was never meant to be one of the three judges to begin with, and was only drafted in as a replacement for Harry Gibbs at the insistence of the Petronelli brothers, who were concerned that Gibbs might hold a grudge against Hagler because of how Hagler had smashed Minter to pieces in London amid those disgraceful scenes seven years earlier (see article below). Yet the very judge they insisted was brought in to counter any possible impartiality came up with the most ludicrous card imaginable against Hagler. The fact that Gibbs stated when asked a week or two later that he'd personally scored it 115-113 Hagler must have been even more galling for them. Obviously, there's a chance that Gibbs might have scored it differently live and from ringside, but there's serious grounds to believe that, had the Petronellis' paranoia not got the better of them, Hagler might well have retained his title on a split decision and been able to walk off in to retirement a much happier man.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6983512/hagler-vs-leonard
     
  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gibbs always had integrity and was a good judge/referee by the way. Illl advised move by the Hagler camp
     
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  6. surfinghb1

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    Guerra's card just completely stunk up the after math of the fight ,, There is no case AT ALL for that card … And we just saw the 118-110 card for Canelo over GGG with Byrd getting suspended .. I never go by what the 3 blind mice always say, I score the fight myself
     
  7. Rspen46

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    They have a completely different view of the fight that most of us do watching it on a Tv screen or computer screen, it's possible we all see different punches or thought we saw them land from those points of view, I've sat at ringiside before, I've been in the corner.
    It's an entirely different world that watching a figth from any other angle, and you don't have all the different camera angels on certain punches and things that happen in a fight.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, not to excuse Guerra's scorecard but I've seen fights from ringside and it can be damn near impossible to see whether certain punches land cleanly or not.

    That's the main reason why I think having judges score major fights from ringside seats is stupid and outdated, given the technology we have at our disposal in 2019. But I'm in the minority on that one.
     
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  9. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So basically the two sane judges agreed on rounds 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 11. So it's only rounds 3, 4, 10, and 12 they disagree on.