Hagler-Leonard score card ?

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My card:

    1: Leonard
    2: Hagler
    3: Leonard
    4. Leonard
    5. Hagler
    6. Leonard
    7. Hagler
    8. Hagler (all even now)
    9. Leonard
    10. Hagler (all even again)
    11. Leonard
    12. Leonard

    Leonard 7-5
     
  2. LittleRed

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  3. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I thought the 9th round was a good round for Hagler. flip that round and you have a draw.
     
  4. lufcrazy

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    First fight I ever scored and then I had it a draw.

    Since then I've seen it as 8-4 Leonard.
     
  5. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are a few you could flip, including the second (over to the Leonard column).

    I thought Leonard edged it.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    What changed your mind?
     
  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who do you think won the 12th round?

    I thought Leonard did a lot of running in that round.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Yeah, I don't even see the argument for Hagler winning round 2. He was completely ineffective against Leonard's movement that round and got outlanded.
     
  9. Vanboxingfan

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    I too thought Leonard edged the fight but l'n always troubled about any fighter with the economic clout to materially alter the fighting conditions in his favor, especially when this results in favoring him over the current champion. Leonard was a proponent of this and Floyd perfected it. The most egregious is Leonard vs Donny Lalonde.
     
  10. Bokaj

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    Have never written down a score card, but from memory:

    1-2 Leonard takes these two comfortably. Hagler seems befuddled.
    3-4 Closer, but Leonard's cleaner punches still wins him the rounds.
    5 Leonard looks better for much of the round, but Hagler's uppercut, which rocks Leonard, probably wins it for him.
    6 Leonard comes out strong and wins this one,
    7-8 Hagler in clear ascendancy in these rounds. His best rounds.
    9-12 All close rounds. Hagler sets the the tempo with effective aggression, but has a hard time landing the really big punches while Leonard still rallies well at points in every round. Hagler gets the slightly better of these rounds, but doesn't sweep them. Leonard has a good round in the 11th if memory serves me right and probably should have at least one even as well.


    This gives something like 6-5-1 to Leonard for me. There are many close rounds, so it can go either way imo. But worth noting is that 7-8 are the only really clear rounds for Hagler as I see it. Which of course makes claims of robbery ludicrous in my view.
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    I'd like to think I now know more about scoring fights.
     
  12. mrkoolkevin

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    Good breakdown. A lot like mine except that I thought that 6 was a close Leonard round and 7-8 were the two that were clearly Hagler's. I never understood the robbery talk either.
     
  13. Bokaj

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    My bad. 6 was Leonard's round and 8-9 were Hagler's best rounds. Just a little slip. Will correct my post.
     
  14. Ted Spoon

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    Leonard won no less than 7-5. A close fight which, despite Guerrero's awful card, was originally highlighted via the split decision.

    This bout has become the victim of over-analysis were sour fans insist that you must pay attention to "the body work Hagler does in the first quarter of round X", or how "Leonard did too much running in this round." When you do this it begins to overemphasize what actually happened, as it went down.

    Military theorist Car Von Clausewitz wrote about how in order to appreciate the generals of past times we must study them, "less through an anxious study of the minute details than through an accurate glance at the whole." At glance back at April 6, 1987 depicts the middleweight champion getting outfoxed.
     
  15. Hookie

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    I don't remember the round by round but I scored it 6 rounds to 5 with 1 even or 115-114 for Leonard. It was a close fight. I do remember Hagler doing some good work rounds 5-9.