Hagler-Leonard: scorecards

Leonard outboxed Hagler because Hagler tried to box orthdox with Leonard for the first 4 rounds.
And i was a Hearns fan but Leonard beat Hagler .

 

This is very close to how I have it from memory. Pehaps I had round 9 even. I've probably gone back and forth on that one. Perhaps given it to Marvin at times. EDIT: Or is it the 10th I'm thinking of? Haven't watched it in a while, but remember that Marvin had a good period with Ray against the ropes in the 9th, so that's probably a Hagler round. EDIT 2: It was the 10th that was very close. The 9th is Hagler's, but the 10th is close to even. Perhaps a slight edge for Leonard.

I've always scored round 5 for Hagler on strength of the uppercut he rocked Leonard with, but I think Leonard has a case for that round since he had the better of it otherwise.

So there are couple of rounds you could argue about, like there always is, but most of the time I've had it for Leonard by one or two rounds.

 

Yeah, pretty much the same here. I thought Leonard took 5 of the first 6 and 2 of the second 6. It was the 11th that kept it in his favour I seem to remember but would have to double check as it's been awhile.

 

And so did Hearns.. If any fight deserved a rematch, it was this one .. An 8 year eye injury? and a convenient 5 year retirement … At least he publicly admitted a few times I believe that Hearns beat him … I tip my hat to him for that, He was lucky to walk away with a Draw, imo

 

Hagler had slowed down and Leonard was faster then they thought he would be.

 

Don't remember round-by-round, but had it 114-113 Leonard.

 

Me too.

The 'Hagler lost the first four rounds' line became something of a mantra and has been repeated so often, during the ensuing years, that one would think it deserved to be etched in stone.

And, you're correct. Hagler, from round three, clearly fought from a southpaw stance.

 

Ray got the momentum when Hagler came out righty and then he started to clown a little with those faces he did to Duran, which made Hagler mad. I remember that bolo punch Ray did one of the rounds which went low. And the crowd loved it, so I am sure Ray got more credit for doing well than Hagler. He had more charisma.

 

Couldn't agree more. As I've said numerous times... it's like people see the narrative they've been told all years... the "Hagler gave away the first 4 rounds clearly and thus had to almost sweep the rest to win" I don't see any clear sweeping of the first 4 rounds, and certainly not round 3 for example.

 

Round 3 was closer than 1 and 2 but I’m surprised to hear people say it was certainly a clear Hagler round. May have to rewatch.

 

Hagler just blew this fight mentally imo more than boxing ability .. gotta give credit for Ray making this an advantage throughout the fight

 

I think we're saying the opposite of that really. We're saying... I'm not sure how people are claiming SRL swept the first 4 rounds clearly, when in some people's view he lost round 3, so what is so clear about SRL sweeping the first 4 rounds?

 

The ring size and Hagler underestimating SRL had more to do with him losing than SRL "outboxing" him

 

Agreed. and more to it than that for me .. but definitely do not want to take away from Ray because his movement did confuse hagler and his mental adv. and antics were huge for him , imo ..

 

Fair enough. I need to rewatch some of the closer rounds again and pay closer attention to Hagler's work. I wasn't overly impressed by Leonard's running and flurrying, but I was even less impressed by Hagler's cruise control plodding in some of those close rounds. I thought that the flurries were enough to steal some of those rounds by default, basically.

And other than McGrain and Judge Jose Guerra, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone give Leonard more than 7 rounds.