Hagler Monzon and Golovkin

oh jesus what an irrelevant point, it has nothing to do with who is greater, ali got a hell of fight with frazier,foreman destroyed joe like a yoyo, still who.was better.. foreman or ali?. every fight is a different world, i think that briscoe would give this guy all he could handle

 

What makes you say that? Are there any flaws in Golovkin's game that stand out to you? Any serious limitations as a fighter?

 

That's like saying I don't think GGG would get Tommy Hearns out of there in 3 rounds, doesn't really prove anything either way.

 

Let's be honest GGG isn't the hardest fighter to hit is he?

 

Monzon made a living on being a big natural middleweight, and many of his best wins were vs. name blown up welters ( Between 5'7" and 5-8" tall ), who in some cases were older.

While I admire Monzon's consistency, and stamina, he was not a big puncher, nor was he fast. His chin though was very good.

Questions:

Who was the best natural middle ( A fighter who started out at 160 pounds ) than Monzon defeated?

Which puncher did Monzon beat who punched his weight at 160 pounds?

GGG would be the biggest, most skilled natural middle, and hardest puncher Monzon meet by a wide margin. GGG actually has a very good jab, and can counter too.

GGG beats him to the punch and hits harder. I think he wins.

 

Not a chance. GGG either KO's Antuofermo, or turns his face into a red mask.

Hagler had all word tools, but he wasn't a good thinker in the ring and often let his foot off the gas. Perhaps Hagler as durable as he was a little concerned about being hit, and fought safe too often?

 

GGG is such a dynamic puncher, some people fail to credit his other skills. Yes, he has amazing balance, which means he's always dangerous. He also tucks his chin in well, and in his last fight demonstrated a shotgun jab. He can counter well too.

 

Love that line.

I dunno...Golovkin IS good, no doubt. He will never have the quality of opposition that Monzon and Hagler had to prove himself. Maybe just maybe, that is a good thing. For all concerned.

 

Golovkin looks fantastic but it's like watching a lion terrorize a goat pen. A 33-year-old still gunning for his key victory is, though no fault of his own, unfortunate.

A poster on the general forum remarked that 2016 may be the last year of his prime, and while that neck of the woods is usually full of PPV drivel there may be some disturbing truth to it. Even Andre Ward who has proven to be this eras best super-middleweight is his junior.

I'm still a big believer in the Kazakh but no amount of fanfare should see him get the better of Monzon or Hagler, two stellar champions. Marvin was held to a (questionable) draw against Vito but that chapter was pivotal in waking the monster who devoured Minter. The Hagler of the early '80s, with his bruising right jab, pace and toughness is not only going to make Golovkin uncomfortable but be with him every step of the way, inside, outside, wherever he wants, and for fifteen rounds if need be. He would take him to a place he's never been before, where that hurtful stalker we all know may come unstuck.

Monzon's height, toughness and awkwardness is unique among the middleweights and part of the reason why so many rate him #1. Outside of Fitzsimmons or a tornado named Greb I can't favour any other middleweight over him. I suspect Rodrigo Valdez would make a similar mess of today's division, that explosive contender who managed to drop Carlos for a split second before eating a few kitchen sinks in return. Monzon would take away Golovkin's jab and, as it would be with Hagler, meet him on every exchange with those difficult to read, heavy combinations.

This is no knock on Gennady. He is at that stage of his career where we're all still waiting for the big bang. Credit is due if he defeats Canelo.

 

I really rate Monzon. To me he is the ultimate neutralizer. It might not be pretty but he always fights HIS fight. Every Monzon fight was the same because he controlled the pace and action which is so very difficult to do. I can't see GGG at this stage breaking through his jab, yet again with Monzon its a question of how well his opponent fits into Monzon's style and never the opposite way around.

 

Hagler vs GGG.

I think Hagler takes has to take it to Defcon 2 like he did vs Mugabi. A tough fight but Hagler has the inside tools and chin to weather the storm. Just like vs Mugabi Round 6, there would be a break-through point in the fight (probably much later vs GGG because he is so skilled) and from there Hagler is relentless turning that small advantage into an overwhelming win through grit.

 

GGG looks fantastic but it's way too early to even think about rating him with proven ATG such as Monzon and Hagler. Let's see him in a real tough fight vs top opposition.