Hagler P4P?

The middleweight division can't carry the lightweight division's jockstrap.

 

Charles had a very strange career. Inconsistent, only held the heavyweight title for around 2 years, but he did beat geniune quality fighters in non-title fights, some more than once. I would probably have him as high in an 10 ATG "pound for pound" list if his longevity as heavyweight champion was lengthened with more defenses and his reign increased over the years.

 

You can't say just because the middleweight division is arguably the best division ever in your opinion, it puts Hagler in the all time top 10.

Many people would disagree. You could make a case that Robinson, Monzon, and Hopkins rate higher than him.

Hagler's biggest wins as champion were all against fighters moving up in weight. Duran, Hearns and Mugabi.

Even though many would not view Mugabi as marquee as Duran or Hearns, he was taken seriously by the Hagler camp. His KO record at 154lbs was awesome, and he out boxed Hagler over the first 6 rounds. Only when Hagler's experience down the stretch started to take over did he have Mugabi "owned".

Even though he was past his prime against Leonard, it was a fight he really should have won, considering Leonard had one fight in five years combined with his first fight at the weight. Maybe that loss showed how good Leonard was, rather than how bad Hagler had become and how poorly he fought on the night.

 

Top ten easy. Probably top 5. And Roy Jones is also ranked very high which is saying a lot because only two fighters after 1950 were lucky enough to make it that high.

 

Who do you rate higher, Duran or Hagler?

 

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The one on the left says 'Hagler', the one on the right says 'Duran'. :good

 

Duran does look a few inches higher. I never knew Hagler actually grew his hair.

 

What's the background on this muppet fetish you have?

 

Get back under onto the sidewalks and beg for some more money so you can make tonight's rent at the motel you lowlife piece of garbage unemployed troll. You only made four dollars all day

 

Sorry I couldn't get to you first Robbi. I had to put that hairy ***** back in her place with yet another ***** slapping.

I go with Hagler, just as tough but a little smarter with better strategy without sacrificing many rounds. So many flawless performances.

 

Mugabi wasn't moving up. He was always a middleweight. Hearns obviously had the frame to become not only a middleweight but a light heavyweight, which he proved by becoming two-time light heavyweight champion. He won the middleweight title, as well. So did Duran, who had settled into the middleweight division long before he fought Hagler. And these are not Marv's only significant wins. Not by a longshot. Antuofermo, Minter, Obel, Hamsho, and Sibson were all terrific middleweights. And you can't forget that even though one judge was in his hip pocket and the other one sucking his dick, Leonard lost to Hagler.Carlos Monzon has nothing like the depth of quality of opposition on his resume that Hagler had. Hagler's 14 title defenses amount to at best one-third of Hagler's 12 title defenses in terms of quality of opposition. And Monzon didn't dominate his opposition the way Hagler did. Of his successful title defenses, only one opponent made it to the final bell, and that was a fighter who belongs in the top five best of all time.

 

Mugabi was always a junior-middleweight at his best, he fought at that weight before he shared a ring with Hagler, and he fought again at that weight after he got smoked in 11 rounds.

He was clearly not struggling at 154lbs before he stepped into the ring with Hagler, hence the reason he moved back down and fluttered between the two divisions.

 

I rate Duran well ahead of Hagler, by some considerable distance as well.

He's rated among the very best lightweights of all time, perhaps the greatest in the eyes of many. Not only did Duran reign as lightweight champion for over 7 years with 11 defenses, but he had 22 non-title bouts between those defenses. Although Hagler does hold more significant wins against a higher calibre of opposition at middleweight, Duran does have some solid wins on his record at lightweight. Buchanan and De Jesus spring to mind, as well as Ishimatsu, who would eventually win the WBC title in the mid 70's and make 5 defenses of the title.

Duran never just had longevity as lightweight champion, but also throughout his career he came back from setbacks. He beat a prime Ray Leonard, and took Hagler the distance 25lbs above his natural weight. The smoking he gave the inexperienced Moore I'll not shout too much about, but being dwarfed at the age of 37 against Barkley and beating him is worthy of praise.

For some reason Street Lethal said Duran was comfortable at middleweight the night he shared a ring with Hagler. This could not be further from the truth, as it was his first fight at the weight and it was a chance to capture a title in a 4th weight division. Duran moved up to try and do the impossible, not because he was struggling at 154lbs. He wasn't given a prayer before the first bell sounded, with many believing Hagler ferocious fists would have Duran KO'd.


Hagler's greatness cannot be questioned, but having him over Duran simply aint close in my eyes.

 

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But Marciano knocked out your #5, your #8 and your #13. Holmes didn't fight any all time greats which is forgiveable, but he also left many challenges unanswered and in fact got beaten by someone who is much lower on your list than any of the ones that Marciano knocked out. On top of that, Marciano is significantly smaller than Holmes.
I don't see how you can rank Holmes over Marciano p4p.