Hagler-Roldan ..a real knockddown?

I remeber it as a slip, have not watched for a while, but pretty sure it was a slip.

 

It was half slip and part pulldown from the back of Hagler's head.... I have the fight on tape from 1984... It was ruled a knockdown, so it stands, but the call was bogus... Roldan's punch soared over the back of Hagler's dome and only grazed Hagler's skin... Nothing clean about that knockdown.... BOGUS!

MR.BILL:bbb:deal

 

Haven't even seen it but I'm thinking Jack Johnson-Stanley Ketchel??

 

I've always thought it was bogus... a bad call against Hagler.

 

NO, NOT AT ALL (Sorry for the caps but I don't feel like changing it). He pulled on the back of his head it wasn't legit at all. Hagler hasn't tasted the canvas in his career legitimately in my books. Jones/Toney was another kd I thought of when viewing this thread because Toney was off balance and Jones body bumped him but that's a different story from a different time.

 

Agreed. :hat

 

it's plain to see it was a 'swipping' push kind of a grazing punch at the back of Hagler's head, not a 'punch' knock down at all.

just as LaMotta's was a push, shove kinda thing to Cerdan - both clear in the footage!

 

That one was the only "knock down" in Hagler's career. The man was well balanced!

 

I thought it was a slip.


How about...

Holyfield vs. Bowe I - Round 11

I know the rules... if a fighter is knocked into the ropes and that same fighter uses the ropes to keep from going down... it can be ruled a knockdown. I don't dispute that rule. That's pretty much what happened in the 11th round of the first Holyfield vs. Bowe fight... except... the shot that did it was to the back of Holyfield's head (just above the neck).

Bowe threw a big hook. Holyfield ducked very low and the punch was avoided. Bowe followed with a hook from the other side while Holyfield was off balance and landed it to the exposed back of the head/neck area of Holyfield.

Does anyone feel that this should not have been a knockdown?

 

No !

 

Tony Perez blew the call. It wasn't any more of a valid knockdown than what Wepner did to Ali. (And does anybody need to guess which referee ruled THAT one a knockdown?) Even some Argentine fans I knew at the time rejected it.

 

:good

 

Hagler was out on his feet.

 

well balanced and a great chin, quite a combination.

ray leonard said that this knockdown wasn't legitimate, and he tended to be a fair judge of these things during his commentary career.