HAGLER v ROBINSON at MWT (best versions)

robinson has to much hand speed and gets decision,but in trilogy i think hagler would win one fight

 

People do go down as in the case of Duran. Marvin took the shots Duran couldnt take and that's saying alot. Not only did marvin not weaken but he came back even harder at the start of the fight. Marvin's NOT getting stopped.

Hagler on the other hand, in destruct and destroy mode, usually got his opponent out of there, fighters who were consdered as the very soild type-Sibson, Hamsho, Roldan, Minter.

Also, have you taken into account what Hagler's southpaw style will have on Robinson? Because you cant expect Hagler to come straight at him in a straight line. In fact, he was what you would consider a very mobile fighter (in his prime) - very successful because of how well he could dictate the pace in addition to how well moved to his right. These are some things to consider along with Hagler's ability to slip and block (something you sorely underestimate) when making educated guess in big fights in which the fighters are evenly matched as in the case of Hagler and Hearns

 

That's fine but even if it goes the distance I think in this case finding a winner is more to it than just hand speed and hitting power.

I dont mean to put no one on the spot but how do you think Marvins southpaw style and the fact that he moves over to his right might affect Robinson's strategy? I figure Robbie gets hit from the blind spot. How do you think Ray might overcome that?

Anyone?

I'm pretty sure that Marvin is more accustomed to facing righties than Robinson is at lefties just because everyone Marvin faces is a righty in addition to the lefties he's faced. Marvin comes into fights very well prepared.

His southpaw style could give marvin a real edge, causing mistakes that would cost Robbie the fight itself. That same edge Pernell often had over his opponents-they couldnt figure him out. Add to the fact that Marvin is a dangerous opponent.

 

handspeed wins over a lot of fans but I didnt exactly see marvin get overwhelmed by either Sibson or hearns who were both expert at delivering combinations which means he has a way of dealing with this type. I dont think Marvins' going to be overly concerned over it because if he were he probably would have skipped the hitman.

Robbi I'm sure would come in prepared for the southpaw but would he be able to deal with the real thing? a southpaw that would move contrary to what Robinson was used to dealing with and attempting to throw him off? How many southpaws had he faced?

These are fair questions, the kind of questions people look at when trying to decide a winner, especially if you are a betting man like myself

marvin doesnt just stay put after delivering his one twos. he's the type that smart enough to minimize his chances of getting hit in return. Just look at his success rate. and it's only after his slowdown you'd see him getting hit more and more

If i could bet on it, I'ld ask myself how does Robbi get Hagler to move the way he wants so he can score enough to get a win on points? Connecting is one thing but scoring combinations on Hagler doesnt seem likely. Hagler's just not going to let him do it.

Same thing in the Norris-Leoanrd fight. Fans were envisioning Leonard going in there and peppering him with enough blows to take him out in the later rounds with a barrage of blows. But seeing how Terry likes to take advantage of all of his gifts, that scenario seemed unlikely to happen. And what happened is that the fans, the media, didn't take a close enough look at the things Terry does that might cause Ray problems. They just rushed to conclusions and sorely underestimated Terry's toughness and versatility. They underestimated his game plan laid out for him by his trainers.

Terry was rarely in range for his combinations which frustrated leonard and used his more economic style to his advantage.

Economy and smarts over flash.

Robinson was vastly superior to leonard and I dont envision this kind of beatdown but add to the problems how adept marvin fights out of the southpaw stance, along with his shoulder and head feints, it leads me to believe Hagler has a damn good chance. Especially when properly motivated.

Fortunately we never have have to find out because the two are personal favorites

 

Marvin Hagler in my eyes is the greatest Middleweight ever.

Ray Robinson in my eyes is the greatest fighter ever.

Hagler was an agressive southpaw with great skills and could switch hit as fluent as a french person speaks french. He had a solid defence but an even solider chin. His right jab is one of the best i have seen and the hooks and uppercuts he throws with his right are amazing.

Ray is the classic boxer so to say. Tall and lean and athletically gifted. Ray had it all he had amazing boxing ability backed with a great punch and a solid chin. His jab is like lightening setting up his missle of a right hand. His power is perhaps the greatest WW power we have seen and he could still bang at Middleweight. Ray was an offensive boxer and his defence could be found lacking but he had great movement and speed and could negate this.

As far as a fight between them is concerned it will be great.

For Ray robinson to win he has to establish his jab to set up combinations and to keep Hagler at range. His combinations have to be fast but with authority but he cant wait around too long after them he has to move.

Hagler is brillaint at not getting hit with jabs and can take Ray's jab away. He can then counter this with his own heavy jab that sets up combinations for him where he can go to work on Robinson and get him into a brawl. However Rays jab was very very quick and Hagler has never faced a jab this quick so it could cause problems.

Hagler has to make this boxing match into a fight. I think in a boxing match his lack of speed would cost him (his speed comapred to Robinson of course). To get Ray into a fight he needs to take away his jab and cut off the ring and trap Ray in the corners and ropes and out work and out punch Ray. This wont be easy as Ray could bang and would hang with him punch for punch.

Rays best chance if Hagler takes away his jab is to move and draw Hagler in to him and counter punch. But Hagler was clever and might not fall for it and in turn try to counter and turn this into a snooze fest. However i dont think Hagler would let that happen.

In Conclusion, I see two scenarios Ray beats Hagler in a competitive but clear 15 round unanimous decision about 9-6 8-7 in a boxing match. Or Hagler wins a very close SD in a slugfest but deserved i hasten to add.

So my ultimate pick, well i have always said Hagler before this but now i'm not to sure but i think Ray can do it.