Hagler vs calzaghe

And to answer the threads question....I believe Hagler would beat calzaghe. Half of the people on Marvins record are better than calzaghe

 

Criminally underrated is Calzaghe. A special fighter who had the misfortune of being Welsh.

Everybody seems to think they can walk through his punches and get to him. They all say they can walk through him, yet none of them do. At some point it should be apparent that walking through Calzaghe's punches isn't as easy as it seems.

You know a guy who is gonna walk through everything Joe can throw though? Hagler, thats who.

 

No I'll leave the crack to idiots like you who definitely smoke it, as evidenced by your obvious belief that guys like Leonard, Olajide, Kinchen, Barkley, De Witt ( you remember him, the guy who Benn knocked out in 8 rounds ) all had better chins than Calzaghe. Cos Hearns sure hit them and fvck all happened.

I don't care what any fvcking idiot Yank thinks about Calzaghe. Fact is NONE of them beat him, or even looked like doing so.

If he was so slappy, how come all these fools didn't simply walk through his punches, and throw more back at him?

Hopkins came out with his stupid " No white boy will beat me, yada, yada, yada. "

Little known but equally true is Calzaghe's philosophy that he would rather lose to a P**i than a Yank.:good

 

That's about right. He obviously had something; he was a top amateur and had a good pro career. I just object to people comparing him to the greats. I'd have the same problem if people said Hatton or Eubank were all time greats, too. At least Hatton stepped up to get destroyed; the same fate would await Joe if he had.

 

Yeah, but as a Lightweight. As an older hard partying MW, not so much.

Calzaghe would have been a comfortable LHW in 83.

Hagler is one of my all time favorites and I would be rooting for him, but the odds are against him. I think he drops a decision against a faster, more mobile, volume punching LHW that can probably take his best shots.

 

Having seen Hagler fights and Calzaghe fights, I think Calzaghe was a more complete fighter with more speed and probably a little more versatile. Thinking about this fight in my head I cannot see Hagler win. Of course he would keep coming til the end and we have never seen Calzaghe in a 15 rounder, but if it goes to a decision, I have a hard time thinking Hagler would win.
But that is only an opinion and nothing more, Hagler is a legend.

 

So are Robinson Crusoe, Mary Poppins, and King Kong.

Like you say Calzaghe had far more speed, and versatility.
Only fools think that legendary status means beating someone who has every possible advantage over you.

As evidenced in some of the posts in this thread. ( Not yours )

By that perverted logic a great L / Heavy beats Ali, Frazier, Louis, Lewis, add whoever you like.

 

calzages weapons were being southpaw in a fledgling division, ultramarathon fitness, great recuperative abilities plus a good chin and good reactions/handspeed and perhaps above all - fantastically careful management for as weak as possible opponent matchmaking. Obviously this is no meagre package, its pretty impressive.

But its nothing like what a complete fighter should be. He lacks power, and has neither decent accuracy, nor great offence or defence. In particular, a leaky defence would have Hagler repeatedly flooring him.

 

come on its a well known fact that Joe missed WAY more than he throws, and more than many of his opponents, not just the good ones. he makes up for it by throwing in volume.

And his defence is leaky, he got dropped several times and gets hit repeatedly by superior boxers whenever he made that step up (just 2 or three times fortunately, Kess and Hopkins, possibly Reid).

Hes tough and that's what carries him through, but in no way is he a great defender.

 

hagler is just easy to hit as calzaghe. and throws alot slower thats all im saying, also joe is bigger, marvin is small to be honest, ray looked bigger in there fight, and not only in height.

 

Calzaghe's accuracy was pretty decent for being such a high volume thrower.

His power depended on the state of his hands, he busted up Kessler pretty good and if I'm not mistaken had him on shaky legs a few times. He isn't hurting Hagler though.

 

Actually Bernard was 43 ... it was a split decision ... I like Joe but see Marvin in a far higher class of fighter.

 

baclava, you are the main man on these boards so i respect your opinion but i couldn't disagree more. these guys are on completely different levels. joe's a good fighter, marvin is a great.

 

It is well accepted that Joe had a far more than average connect rate, and as you admit his volume of punches was second to none.

I never claimed he had a great defence. I said your claim of Hagler repeatedly flooring him was wishful thinking. Marvin would be too busy trying to avoid the far higher number of punches coming his way. It is a total myth that Hagler just didn't care about being hit.