Hagler vs Hopkins. 15 rounds.

For Hopkins (peak) see the Jones fight.

 

Not too quick to answer this time are we John?

 

Hopkins is durable but not great. Roy Jones was great beating him with a broken hand. Sorry but facts are facts.

 

If we're to believe you you've picked every damn winner of the 21st century :rofl

Which of course we don't

Hopkins is fighting Cal because he is not afraid to stare defeat in the face against all odds to legacy build. Of course your man Marvin could have done this with Spinks and/or Qawi but..........:yep

No weapons?

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That foot just went from a USA 9 to a UK 14

Terry Norris is better, right?

It's funny how your fighters are always excused :rofl

Roy was more advanced at the time than Hop, but maybe he always beats him too - no shame in that, i also pick Jones over Hagler.

Well the **** you've been trouting is hardly worthy :nut

Great era of middleweights? Hagler's era was ordinary, 3 of the best 5 or so he faced were lightweights and welterweights. Nobody would buy what you sell LOL

 

Man, did ya see that cut? Maybe Hopkins on cuts?

:good

Yeah, two of the biggest three fights he ever had he got starstruck/stagefright :|

Oh hell no, i mean look at Duran and Leonard :yikes

But hey, he didn't come out left handed and handing out rounds on a platter even at a green stage :good

And Roy got utterly poleaxed by two guys Nard schooled!

Pity you don't make a great sparring partner for anyone round here. Maybe we need an ESB "Special Classic Section"

:happy

Go the rooter!

 

For Jones (peak) see the Johnson fight.

 

Sometimes even dribble takes time to sift.

 

Very few fights showcase Hagler using his physical strength for a bout's entirety, because he usually had the ability to outbox his foes and usually overwhelmed them with physical pressure only when he had them hurt (e.g. Minter fight, Hamsho rematch, Antuofermo rematch, Sibson fight, Roldan fight etc.)

One obvious example of course is the Hearns bout. And to a lesser extent, the Leonard bout, but Leonard's movement befuddled Marvin and didn't allow him the opportunity to impose himself as much as he would have liked.

Yes, big tough man pushing welterweights around. But in any case, I thought he showed enough in bits and pieces in the bouts listed above to suggest that if he needed to he could have outmuscled most of those guys.

 

Yeah, he has no real examples. I'd not be surprised at all to see Hopkins doing the shaking and grooving muscle wise in this one.

 

Watching a Monzon vs the lighter guys like Napoles and Griffith, i see he's the boss as is Hopkins vs smaller men.

 

Yeah, until Marvin wallops him a good one or two shots at least, then I think we'd see Hopkins on the retreat.

 

Hopkins was actually more on retreat against Tito and he seemed more intent to outbox Oscar too rather than go and impose his will on him.

 

Perhaps, but Hagler's backed off before when dominating inside exchanges so who knows. Hopkins will be wherever's the most effective, that's for sure. Quick summations and adaptions will be the order of the day rather than an unerring rigid gameplan.

 

Yet he still stopped both of them. Everytime Tito moved he seemed to pay.

 

A similiar scenario for Hopkins, don't you think?

Haglers work rate would likely help him out more than his physical strength.

Hopkins was more than a bit unlucky in his career and had a handful of foul laden bouts. The Echols and Allen fights should not count against him in a brawling sense because they were beyond the realms of legal boxing.

Both men are tough, yet more inclined to outbox their man.