Hagler vs Hopkins both in prime at 160 who wins?

Why would it change? They were basically of the same weight in their primes. Hopkins wasn't one to balloon up after weigh-ins; at least not at his middleweight best.

 

Not usually. But he's the bigger man, and certainly would have the option of coming in at 170-175 under today's rules. At 6' 1" He had little hesitation moving up to LHW and entered the ring in the mid around 190 more than once without looking sloppy.

Marvin, at 5' 9" was never inclined to move up despite dominating the MW division.

I feel that Hopkins has a better chance under previous day weigh-in.


And with both men at around 160 in the ring, I think Hagler would be too relentless for Bernard. I feel Hagler overcame better opponents at the weight.

 

He's shown to be at his best at 166. That's his fighting weight; the same as what Hagler would have probably come in at.

 

Me too!:good

 

Hagler via SD.

 

No way Hagler loses, Hopkins simply isn't busy enough to win.

And Yes I could see the " possibility " of Marvin being the first man to stop Hopkins.

 

A prime Hopkins was a busy fighter. But I think this would be a cautious affair, with an unusually low output by both men. More like Hagler-Duran than Hagler-Hearns.

Very hard to say who wins. Hopkins's superior reach might just make the difference, since it would make it hard for Marvin to box him.

 

prime hop? has a good chance against marv, and hes really not going to get stopped by him if dawsons blasts and shumenovs blows couldn't do it two divisions up.

marv would easily stop old 40something Hopkins however, probably by late KO when hops gasses after round 6.

 

Hopkins. Too smart, too big, too cagey. Hed get inside Hagler's head and mess him up before the fight even started.

 

at Middleweight Champion Marvin was too strong and fought much better competition, I favor him here but If Marvin was to move up in weight B-Hop was strong at 175

 

Bhop

 

Hagler would push Hopkins back for 12 rounds.peak hagler wouldn't let him take any breathers.hagler was a monster @ 160 and is the greatest ever.

 

Both Duran and Leonard demonstrated that the correct type of championship pedigree and mindset, one could get into Hagler's head, and to varying extents, make him step out of character.

I know Hagler is on an unusual pedestal today, and its in vogue to rank him very high in the all-time top five, and that he was this powerful stalker with a chin of granite. The fact was he was a very precise, practiced switch-hitting counter-puncher, with exceptional timing and conditioning, in his prime.

The question for me is, would Marvin fight with the confidence and assurance he had when performing at his very best...against somebody ready to zoom him like the aforementioned greats. Methinks in this scenario, there would be a huge likelihood all things would not be equal.

I believe that if anyone is on the level of Leonard and Duran, at getting into Marvin's head, it would be Hopkins. The match would begin a full two months before the first bell.The smooth boxing tactician of the Trinidad match would prove more than up to the task at making the rounds close, competitive. I'd bet the farm that the fight would go right down to the wire on a split decision...take your pick. If these guys fought twice, 1-1 would not surprise me.

Hagler was not invincible.

 

Hopkins. He'd just throw flurries at the ends of rounds and retire Hagler.

 

I agree with everything you said and would add that Hagler wasnt that great at switch hitting. When he fought orthodox he wasnt anything special. While he may have looked like he was carved out of stone he wasnt what I would call powerful. For instance Fullmer and Dick Tiger were two guys who strike me as being much stronger physically than Hagler. Hopkins was a very big MW and took his size and strength up to LHW, something Hagler never even considered. Any notion that Hagler would be too strong, too powerful, or too hard hitting for Hopkins are unfounded IMO. Hagler was a lot more methodical than ferocious (expecially when facing talented fighters). Thats not going to play well against a big, strong, equally granite chinned, equally well conditioned, maestro like Hopkins. I think Hopkins would work Hagler's headbone and then hed work Hagler over. Hed frustrate Hagler and give him a boxing lesson. Also, Hopkins was damn good against lefties.