Hagler vs Tony Ayala Jr.

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can Hagler win it? I believe Marvin (peak version only) can possibly win. And why is this? For one, his cast iron jaw. And two, his movement.

    But can he really keep this young tiger off of him long enough before Tony closes in and works the body?

    Intangibles: If Tony cannot catch hagler's chin cleanly would he instead begin working the body early in the fight? Can Marvin take it to the body?

    Nobody ever worked hagler's body before. Thomas hearns said he was going to but Marvin closed in on peak Hitman too quickly and took away his leverage.

    I believe Marvin could pull this out based on an actual fight he had against peak Juan Roldan (trained by legendary Tito Lectoure) in which Roldan was conditioned to go 20 fast paced hard fought rounds. The pace of this fight was brutal. Anyone else would have fallen to Roldan - that's for sure including most of the past champions. Roldan would have been too demanding for anyone else.
     
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  2. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ^ yeah what do you know you were in a crib at the time
     
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  4. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    a) No, I wasn't.

    b) What does that have to do with anything?
     
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  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean you werent even born yet?
     
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  6. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    :good

    My second question still stands.
     
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  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Your second question? Oh God you really weren't born yet! :patsch

    You weren't alive then so you don't count. You don't even know how Tony fights
     
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  8. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    You're correct. It sucks they never film boxing matches.

    And you were obviously alive to see Abe Attell fight, as you rate him so highly as an ATG. Tell us, what was he like?
     
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  9. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As I've said before, the only guy I think had a chance against Ayala the young tiger was prime Hagler. Offhand, I give Marvin the edge, simply because he was so unbeatable at that time. But I'd have second thoughts about betting the family fortune on it. I'm hard pressed to think of many fighers who had that lethal combination of raw talent, power and rage like Tony Ayala Jr.

    I often think about how Tony's career would've happened had he not succumbed to his demons. After dropping Davey Moore, I have him kicking Duran's ass twice, taking 2/3 vs. Hearns, utterly destroying Benitez, Mugabi, McCallum, Kalule, etc. One fight at Jr. MW I have Tony badly losing though is to Julian Jackson.

    But when he rises to full-fledged MW to challenge Mr. Hagler? I see this taking place around 1985, right before the end of Marvin's prime. And people definitely get their money's worth. It is a classic punch-fest for the ages. Overall, I see Hagler containing Tony, but not stopping him. Had this fight been a year or two before, Hagler may have won by LAST round TKO or decision. But this one I see ending in a draw, as Hagler still has enough left in the tank to not lose. The two exhausted warriors embrace afterward, with nothing less than utmost respect for one another.


    Marvelous Marvin is now officially in steady decline, and Ray Leonard sees the writing on the wall.
     
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  10. Loewe

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    Prime Leonard would beat both and Terry Norris at the same night!
     
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  11. Mike T

    Mike T Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No offense, but nothing I've seen tells me he "destroys", Benitez or MCcallum
     
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  12. Mike T

    Mike T Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hearns could get caught with some heavy **** but at 154 he sparks him imo. Too unproven against the elite.
     
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  13. Rebel-INS

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    I honestly don't understand how people rate Tony Ayala so highly. Who did he beat that would show you he could even go the distance with someone as brilliant as Marvin Hagler?
     
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  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime leonard really showed his mettle with Kalule and Howard :rofl

    Terry Norris too
     
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  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    people see this as some kind of joke but I actually see Tony as Marvin's greatest challenge. This is exactly what happened with Juan Roldan. Juan was dismissed as having no chance but as it turned out was his best challenger. He was as strong if not stornger, harder hitting, faster, defensively better, and almost as tough. Had Marvin not been near his prime, Roldan would have won this fight!

    Anyone dissagree? Sweet Pea perhaps? Then come on with it!

    Anyways, enough about him. My point is you can't take anyone lightly in this business and that applies especially to Tony Ayala, the best fighter the Duvas ever had. And like Richard Sandoval was for Jeff Chandler, he'd be ready for Marvin by 1984 or 1985.

    My prediction: after a harrowing bout with peak hitman, Tony pulls off the upset by decision. It's a case of one fighter peaking and the other who is on the decline.
     
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